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who would win?
Viper:
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--- Quote from: Monzta on January 07, 2011, 02:20:57 PM ---Viper, you know all this about battling, but you don't know Raichu is a third evolution?
Pichu - Pikachu - Raichu
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Errr... No sir.
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He got my back
Haha but truthfully i totally forgot about pichu
Noah_Road:
--- Quote from: PkMn Trainer Black on January 07, 2011, 02:29:03 AM ---under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
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Ehh...no lol. Even at a -speed nature, Salamence outspeeds Tyranitar. As for luck, maybe but earthquake has 100% accuraccy so unless you're running a shuca berry or balloon (both rather rare on a Tyranitar), Tyranitar won't be able to run on luck.
--- Quote from: boyben10 on January 07, 2011, 08:38:15 AM ---Well, aggron resists the others's stabs, except for raichu, and it gets super effective head smash against salamence and dragonite, and stab iron tail against tyranitar, and for raichu, earthquake works just fine. Type-wise, aggron has the greatest advantage.
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Head Smash won't OHKO Salamence after intimadate. Aggron is also terribly slow so Dragonite and Salamence will outpace it and OHKO with a 4x earthquake. Raichu won't be beating anyone else either. Poor thing just doesn't have the speed or offensive power to take on much in the competative scene.
PkMn Trainer Black:
--- Quote from: Viper on January 07, 2011, 03:06:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: PkMn Trainer Black on January 07, 2011, 02:29:03 AM ---under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
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All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
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my pokemon is based on versatility. i already have Earthquake, Stone edge and dragon claw. that is three phy moves. if i happened to be going against a primape, and i ran phy swpr, and it was my last pokemon, i would easily get OHKO'd by counter. as for noah...
--- Quote from: Noah_Road on January 07, 2011, 09:52:19 PM ---Ehh...no lol. Even at a -speed nature, Salamence outspeeds Tyranitar. As for luck, maybe but earthquake has 100% accuraccy so unless you're running a shuca berry or balloon (both rather rare on a Tyranitar), Tyranitar won't be able to run on luck.
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it still can, just not with dark pulse. Stone Edge has a high Critical Hit ratio. giive it a zoom lens, and it'll be even higher. critical hits break thruogh offensive dents and defensive buffs. so just give tyranitar Atk and Def Evs, and it should survive 1 or 2 EQs. that should be enough time to get in critical SE, which should knock it out between then... if your lucky.
Noah_Road:
--- Quote from: PkMn Trainer Black on January 08, 2011, 12:41:21 AM ---
--- Quote from: Viper on January 07, 2011, 03:06:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: PkMn Trainer Black on January 07, 2011, 02:29:03 AM ---under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
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All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
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my pokemon is based on versatility. i already have Earthquake, Stone edge and dragon claw. that is three phy moves. if i happened to be going against a primape, and i ran phy swpr, and it was my last pokemon, i would easily get OHKO'd by counter. as for noah...
--- Quote from: Noah_Road on January 07, 2011, 09:52:19 PM ---Ehh...no lol. Even at a -speed nature, Salamence outspeeds Tyranitar. As for luck, maybe but earthquake has 100% accuraccy so unless you're running a shuca berry or balloon (both rather rare on a Tyranitar), Tyranitar won't be able to run on luck.
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it still can, just not with dark pulse. Stone Edge has a high Critical Hit ratio. giive it a zoom lens, and it'll be even higher. critical hits break thruogh offensive dents and defensive buffs. so just give tyranitar Atk and Def Evs, and it should survive 1 or 2 EQs. that should be enough time to get in critical SE, which should knock it out between then... if your lucky.
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See thats the thing, if Tyranitar was able to get a hit in then maybe. I've tested; A calm/bold/careful Tyranitar (max defence) with 252 DEF EVs and/or 252 HP EVs is still OHKO'd by an earthquake from an Adamant max Atk Salamence. If it were to invest that heavily in the defensive stats, it wouldn't be able to OHKO Salamence due to its not lack-luster atk which has already been cut in half: in which case Salamence would just 2HKO it. You can't expcet to "just give a pokemon Atk and Def EVs" and expect it will surive super effective hits.
Also note: Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
Raikt:
I can overlook the questioning of my competitive battling experience. (Seeing as I'm going on ten years of it now, so it's not a big deal.)
--- Quote from: Viper on January 07, 2011, 03:06:27 AM ---All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
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Not to sound condescending, but I would infer that you have less competitive battling experience than me from that statement alone. From Gen III onward Tyraniboah was one of Tyranitar's most lethal movesets. (And I helped popularize it.)
It was commonly used on a team where it could take advantage of getting Tyranitar's most used counters to switch in on him, substituting on the switch, and then taking care of them using their crappy Special Defense stat. (Read: Scizor, a common switch in. He can take everything barring a SE crit, but cannot take even a single flamethrower.) Dark Pulse or Crunch were interchangeable, with the third move generally being Focus Punch to make good use of the Sub and his ability to negate Leftovers.
--- Quote from: Viper on January 07, 2011, 12:52:36 AM ---I would never send a Tyranitar for a 1v1 against a Dragonite anyway. If he hasnt had time to DD i pull him out.
And ive never seen my Tar been hit by a Focus Blast before so idk if he would survive, but i do know superpower wrecks him up
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Then you would know that you proposed a situation that would never actually happen. You would never send in a Tyranitar against a Dragonite, and the reverse is also true.
CScarf is Tyranitar's second most common set, therefor it is usually prepared for if there is a flaw in team building that would lead to a weakness from Scarftar. If you are running Scarfed Dragonite, another equally common set, then it all comes down to whoever was out first.
In the situation the OP provided, however, there were no clear indicators to an ongoing battle, so it's assumd that both of them are out at the same time (They were your starters, which would not be a stretch as both are used as leads), in which case Dragonite would have the advantage.
--- Quote from: Noah_Road on January 08, 2011, 05:14:12 AM ---[]... Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
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Zoom Lens doesn't increase crit chance, it actually increases Accuracy by 20% if the user moves after the opponent. There was an error in translation and it ended up saying crit. However, testing has proven (Mine and others, if you'd care to look in to it) that it is indeed a 20% accuracy boost. The translation error was fixed in games after Diamond and Pearl.
In reference to crit boosting items, they are not banned per se. They're just generally looked down upon as they throw more luck into the game.
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