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LeoReborn:
--- Quote from: PkMn Trainer Black on May 26, 2011, 04:02:42 AM ---http://pokemon.marriland.com/hgss/pokedex/leafeon/
use that to remake Yuka if you don't have BW yet if you do:http://pokemon.marriland.com/black_white/pokedex/leafeon/
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Actually, I'll leave her as she is, except for Leaf Guard...
PkMn Trainer Black:
In all actuality, Your leafeon was my first without Leftovers and some impossible stats but with the moveset(Razor Leaf in place of Leaf blade) and Relaxed nature(+10% base Defense,-10% base Speed). before I battle a friend of mine, That Leafeon killed Bertha(Ground E4) and Lucian(Psychic E4) with some trouble. I have Three lefeons in total now my last one being the most sucessful. Here it is
Leafeon(Sky Nature)
Item: Leftovers
Nature-Relaxed
Evs:252 Atk & Def, 4 Spd
Moves: Leaf Blade, Grass Whistle, Quick Attack, Sword Dance
Pokemon he Defeated:Walrein,Garchomp,Typhlosion,Charizard,Gardevior,Blastoise,Deyoxys(All forms exept Def), Gyarados, Milotic, Flint's team excluding Rapidash, Bertha's team, Lucien's Team, Arron's Team(Bug E4), Cynthia's team, and Raichu.
There's probably more, but that's all I can remember now
TrainerX:
I didn't make this team, but I've been using it on PO. I want to know what you guys think of it:
Ninetales(Alt. Lead) @Leftovers
Ability: Drought
Nature: Timid
EVs: 216 Sp. Atk, 76 Sp. Def, 216 Speed
Moves: Overheat
Will-O-Wisp
Safeguard
Power Swap
Lilligant(Lead) @Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Evs: 252 Sp. Atk, 76 Sp. Def, 180 Speed
Moves: Hidden Power [Rock]
Healing Wish
Sleep Powder
Leaf Storm
Snorlax @Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Sp. Def
Moves: Return
Pursuit
Crunch
Earthquake
Infernape @Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
Nature: Naive
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Moves: Close Combat
Overheat
Flare Blitz
Will-o-Wisp
Durant @Wide Lens
Ability: Hustle
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 8 HP, 252 Atk, 248 Speed
Moves: Iron Head
Crunch
X-Scissor
Thunder Wave
Garchomp @Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Moves: Dual Chop
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Fire Fang
zylonnick:
--- Quote from: TrainerX on May 26, 2011, 03:59:29 PM --- I didn't make this team, but I've been using it on PO. I want to know what you guys think of it:
Ninetales(Alt. Lead) @Leftovers
Ability: Drought
Nature: Timid
EVs: 216 Sp. Atk, 76 Sp. Def, 216 Speed
Moves: Overheat
Will-O-Wisp
Safeguard
Power Swap
Lilligant(Lead) @Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Nature: Modest
Evs: 252 Sp. Atk, 76 Sp. Def, 180 Speed
Moves: Hidden Power [Rock]
Healing Wish
Sleep Powder
Leaf Storm
Snorlax @Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Sp. Def
Moves: Return
Pursuit
Crunch
Earthquake
Infernape @Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
Nature: Naive
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Moves: Close Combat
Overheat
Flare Blitz
Will-o-Wisp
Durant @Wide Lens
Ability: Hustle
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 8 HP, 252 Atk, 248 Speed
Moves: Iron Head
Crunch
X-Scissor
Thunder Wave
Garchomp @Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Moves: Dual Chop
Swords Dance
Earthquake
Fire Fang
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ninetales: solarbeam is always nice on a drought pokémon, and fire blast/heat wave/flamethrower don't suffer the SpA drop from overheat. I don't see a particular reason to use power swap.
Lilligant: looks good, you might change leaf storm to solarbeam, but that's optional.
Snorlax: Ever tried a curselax? it's pretty hard to tke down when it sets up. This set can work too, but I had good experiences with curselax.
Infernape: Looks decent, but I posted another set some posts back which is solid. You might change u-turn for another move if you'd like.
Durant: nice set, if I would change a thing, then I would give him something else then T-wave .
Garchomp: he looks decent, its a basic gachomp sweeper.
Overall you have a solid team, nicely done.
TrainerX:
I'm not the one who made it, someone on Smogon made it. I've just been using it on PO to try it out, and to learn a little bit more about competitive battling.
--- Quote from: Ponge on May 26, 2011, 07:09:00 PM ---ninetales: solarbeam is always nice on a drought pokémon, and fire blast/heat wave/flamethrower don't suffer the SpA drop from overheat. I don't see a particular reason to use power swap.
Lilligant: looks good, you might change leaf storm to solarbeam, but that's optional.
Snorlax: Ever tried a curselax? it's pretty hard to tke down when it sets up. This set can work too, but I had good experiences with curselax.
Infernape: Looks decent, but I posted another set some posts back which is solid. You might change u-turn for another move if you'd like.
Durant: nice set, if I would change a thing, then I would give him something else then T-wave .
Garchomp: he looks decent, its a basic gachomp sweeper.
Overall you have a solid team, nicely done.
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I just used the sets and pokemon that the team's creator used. Here's their reasons:
--- Quote ---Ninetales
As much as I've always liked Ninetales and I've always liked Sunny Day teams, I along with everyone else, was disappointed that she was the one that got Drought instead of something like Heatran or even Arcanine. But making the best of it, I've made this set which has been the best set I've used for Ninetales so far. STAB Overheat becomes great in Sunlight, even with Ninetales' disappointing Special Attack stat not doing it any favors. Will-O-Wisp leaves me a little open to Heatran, but even with a Flash Fire boost, Heatran & Chandelure are not breaking Snorlax. It lets me Burn Tyranitar and helps with Politoed as they switch-in to take the Overheat. It's useful in general. Especially combined with Safeguard. Power Swap is a must with Overheat. Swapping my -2 from Overheat for a +0 while crippling my opponent is always welcomed. And stealing a Calm Mind or Quiver Dance boost from something that feels 'safe' setting up on Ninetales and giving them a -2 in Special Attack, is always fun.
Safeguard is team support mostly. If you wanna piss off all those bulky Waters & Chansey that switch into Ninetales constantly, use Safeguard. It's really overlooked. A guaranteed 5 turns of being immune to status with Sun up is just amazing and a half to most teams. By the time the Safeguard is over, after switching-out, I have 3 turns to set-up and sweep status free. Get Garchomp in and setup. Rotom-W & Jellicent can't burn my Garchomp and has their Hydro Pump & Scald weakened by the Sun, Chansey can only Seismic Toss me, Thundurus can't Thunder Wave me, my entire team becomes immune to Toxic Spikes, the whole Safeguard package is just ideal in this metagame. By now, everyone knows that status is EVERYWHERE this Gen. So you can imagine how awesome it is to not have to worry about it even just for a few turns.
Snorlax
It is coward killing time when this Snorlax makes his appearance. With my team weak to the omnipresent Latios, Snorlax can switch into Choice Specs boosted Draco Meteor and take only an average of 60% from it, or can just let a teammate take the hit, and OHKO it with Pursuit as the coward switches out. The same story goes for Gengar, Starmie, Azelf, and really any Psychic or Ghost type in that 110 Speed tier. It's usefulness doesn't stop there either. It's Blissey-like ability to sponge Special Attacks makes it an exceptionally good check for all Pokemon that threatens Sun teams. Hitting insanely hard with Return, OHKOing just about any Special Sweeper while taking a pittance from their strongest attacks.
Earthquake catches Heatran and Tyranitar who feel safe switching into a Choice Banded Return. Crunch is really to take out those pesky Recovering Psychic Pokemon that feel safe setting-up & Recovering off Pursuit's damage like Latias & Reuniclus. And yes, 1v1 Snorlax will beat Max HP/Def Calm Mind Reuniclus unless it's at +2 with Focus Blast, then it might stand a chance, but +1 Focus Blast doesn't do nearly enough to "break" Snorlax. Thick Fat helps it walls Heatran , Volcarona, & Chandelure even in Sunlight and KO them all with the appropriate attack. Even a Sun-boosted +1 Volcarona Fiery Dance will only take 31.4% - 37.2% of Snorlax's HP with Life Orb calc'd in, while Snorlax's Return will OHKO non-max Defense variants while doing 68.2% - 80.2% to Max Defense moths. The only issue is that Snorlax becomes set-up fodder for Fighting-types. Sometimes I have decide between Pursuing that Latios for a OHKO or Earthquaking that Terrakion that's switching in.
Durant
An ant holding a magnifying glass on a Sun team. Couldn't have done that on purpose if I tried. Joking aside, Durant is no joke. Base 109 Speed making it the naturally fastest Steel-type in the game and THE most Speed-trolled Pokemon in the game. Hustle is, as always, a double-edged sword, giving Durant a x1.5 boost to her Attack at the cost of having an average Accuracy of 80% on all her attacks. Wide Lens does remedy this by giving her moves 88% Accuracy instead while keeping the x1.5 Attack boost making the Wide Lens very justified as she already has basically a Choice Band boost. The EVs give her 347 Speed out-speeding the 108 Speed tier by one point since Durant is the only Pokemon in 109 Speed tier and doesn't need to tie with herself thanks to Thunder Wave.
Iron Head alone has almost made up for Hustle's Accuracy lose as it's Flinch rate is more than twice as large as Durant's miss window. X-Scissor is her obligatory second STAB. Crunch hits everything that resists her STAB attacks except Steel-types for at least neutral damage. Thunder Wave is Durant's last resort and her only offense against Steel-types. Luckily Durant isn't exactly expected to run Thunder Wave as most run Claw Sharpen so it catches everyone off-guard.
Durant's only real flaw is her pitiful Sp.Defense and her inability to hit Steel-types without having to resort to Dig, which can be said of half the new Steel-types introduced this Gen. (Looking at you Escavalier & Klingklang) She can, however, act as a pseudo-Haxrachi against the likes of Scizor & other Steel-types and can actually 3 or 4HKO them with Iron Head after she Thunder Waves them.
Her biggest job is helping Garchomp, Lilligant, & Infernape deal with Terrakion & Sawsbuck which are two of the biggest threats to the team. Durant out-speeds Terrakion & can dismantle it with Iron Head or Thunder Wave and she can take a hit from Sawsbuck and X-Scissor for the KO or Thunder Wave if I smell a Focus Sash. She actually does help out against Lucario since it can dismantle the team as well so having something that resists ExtremeSpeed that can Thunder Wave it is perfect if Garchomp is too weak to take a +2 ExtremeSpeed.
Infernape
Infernape is my problem solver. He's a little harder to switch-in than Emboar was due to the sheer lack of bulk, but he does the same job with more speed. The set is designed to maximize the damage he can cause in one round, but it comes at the cost of coverage; however optimizing his ability to abuse the Sun more than covers the cost. Close Combat is the main attack Infernape uses just due to the kind of Pokemon he's switching into. By using both Overheat and Flare Blitz, he can hit hard on both sides, making safe switch-ins pretty scarce. Just about anything that switches into Close Combat is not going to be able to take a Flare Blitz or Overheat except for Jellicent, Gyarados, & Tentacruel. Unless it's a faster Pokemon that resist Fighting, it's hard to force Infernape out. Even Pokemon like Sigilyph & Gliscor have a hard time switching in. Close Combat does 29.9% - 35.5% to Gliscors and an unboosted Overheat does 85% - 100.7% to it and is a clean OHKO in Sunlight.
The main key is to not let the opponent know you're running mixed Fire. Use Flare Blitz or Overheat, but don't use the other until you need it to KO something. Mixed Infernape is fairly common, but running both Flare Blitz and Overheat at the same time is very rare and very unexpected. Psychic & Flying Pokemon like Reuniclus, Sigilyph, & Thundurus are instantly drawn in by a -2 Mixed Inferape, assuming they can use him to setup after Overheat KOs one of their teammates. That's when you can nail them with Flare Blitz and net that sweet KO. Stealth Rock is useful for passive damage and Will-O-Wisp is really just to make Dragonite & Gyarados cry. I prefer Will-O-Wisp personally, but they're equally good options.
Garchomp
Garchomp is kind of lame this Gen. She's still Garchomp, oh god is she still Garchomp, but she's just so hard to switch-in and KO something with this Gen. With everything and their Grandma's dog running Will-o-Wisp, Scald, Latios, switching to a Leviatator, and/or just running Hidden Power Ice on everything, Garchomp feels legitimately harder to switch in than even Ninetales. She doesn't have that utility that Snorlax, Infernape, & Lilligant has. The opponent just has to hit her once then bring in their speed Pokemon to finish her off.
She does pick things off very well and lures in Latios & Starmie for Snorlax to OHKO. The only walls she really fears are Cofagrigus, Dusclops, and Porygon2 due to Fire Fang being Sun boosted, giving her basically 3 different types she gets STAB from, letting her ruin the likes of Skarmory and Balloon-holding Steel-types. Dual Chop is used over Dragon Claw because it has the same power and a little less accuracy, but it busts through Substitutes meaning the team has nothing to worry about when Snorlax draws Breloom & Sub+Disable Gengar in as she can break their subs and deal nice damage to them and even prevent Breloom from Focus Punching. I can't really afford to use Outrage because things are actually faster than Garchomp this Gen and I NEED her to stay around for most of the match if not just as a pivot.
Lilligant
Roserade's little sister. I don't even know where to start about this Pokemon. This team could not even function without Lilligant. There's just no replacing her because no other Pokemon can do what she can do for the team. I'll just start with the basics. Lilligant is usually my lead and for good reason. She can OHKO all other opposing Weather leads (except Abomasnow) and Sleep Powder their common switch-ins. After a Sleep Powder, that's usually Ninetales' cue to switch-in. With the popularity of Tyranitar and the amount of players that seem to forget that Tyranitar does get OHKO'd by a Lilligant/Roserade/Exeggutor/Tangrowth Leaf Storm, I almost just get free wins from Sand teams, especially since Lilligant is never known to run Leaf Storm anyway. When I take out their Weather Starter on turn 1, that's it. Excadrill becomes too slow, Starmie gets entirely shafted by Snorlax, Vaporeon becomes laughable, and the list goes on.
"Okay, so what? Tyranitar can just switch out to-" To what? Heatran? Latios? Volcarona in Sand? Snorlax OHKOs them all and just shrugs off their attacks due to his Special Defensive bulk. The great thing about using Leaf Storm is that Lilligant not only OHKOs Tyranitar, but she OHKOs all of the common faster Sandstorm Pokemon. Gliscor, Garchomp, Excadrill, Landorus, Gyarados even? All OHKOd by Leaf Storm. Pokemon like Ferrothorn & Scizor that resist Grass STAB, will have to deal with Sleep Powder the next turn so they're not even a truly safe switch-in without a Lum Berry. Espeon is OHKO'd or at the most 2HKO'd by Leaf Storm and ruined by Snorlax. Xatu loses a great chunk of his HP from Leaf Storm, easily bringing him into HP Rock's KO range even at -2 in Sp.Atk.
Now you might ask "No Quiver Dance?! What is this?!" Well, it's the fact Leaf Storm makes Quiver Dance nearly pointless and Healing Wish is far too good to pass up. Having a Full Restore on the team at the cost of just one moveslot is invaluable. With Sleep Powder, a 140 Base Power attack from 350 Sp.Atk, and a Full Restore coming from 556 speed in Sunlight, Lilligant can completely change the tide of battle against nearly any foe.
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I'll try your suggestions too, and see if it improves the team. I'm going to make my own team soon, so I'll post that when I'm done.
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