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Blaze Blaziken vs Speed Boost Blaziken
Noah_Road:
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--- Quote from: Noah_Road on October 07, 2011, 02:49:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: deadae on October 07, 2011, 02:25:12 AM ---thunder punch wont kill charizard and stone edge can miss all u have to do is give charizard a scarf and there both dead or u could give him sash and there both dead he is not faster than charizard after one speed boost
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When talking about giving items to pokemon in a 1v1 battle, you must always assume that the opponent can have the same item. Since Infernape has a higher base speed than Charizard, Infernape can use a choice scarf as well and outspeed Charizard. T-punch (using iron fist) and Stone Edge will OHKO a Charizard. The same goes for focus sash; Infernape will attack, survive the Air Slash, then retaliate for the KO. Blaziken is a bit different. You wouldn't scarf something that has speed boost so a scarfed Charizard would outspeed it even after a single boost. However if they are both equiped with a focus sash, then Blaziken will come out on top most of the time.
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thunder punch will not kill charizard even with iron fist which is a horrible ability i think and i dont think he can learn any rock move stronger than rockslide and ok lets say with no items then...charizard still beats them both... well he may lose to infernape but im sry infernape is one of the worst pokemon ever made he dont kill nothing in one hit and he gets taken out in one hit
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Iron fist Thunderpunch comming from an Infernape can and will OHKO Charizard everytime. Both Blazi and Infernape learn Stone Edge--the strongest distributed rock type move in the game which will always OHKO Charizard who is 4xs weak to rock type moves. Even a rockslide will OHKO it. You should probably check the damage calculators. In a 1v1 battle, Infernape will always be able to beat Charizard. Blaziken with speed boost will also always be able to beat out Charizard. Out of the 3 fire starters here, Charizard is actually the worst one since its hindered by a horrible rock type weakeness and dismal speed.
Viper:
--- Quote from: Noah_Road on October 20, 2011, 01:21:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: deadae on October 20, 2011, 12:56:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Noah_Road on October 07, 2011, 02:49:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: deadae on October 07, 2011, 02:25:12 AM ---thunder punch wont kill charizard and stone edge can miss all u have to do is give charizard a scarf and there both dead or u could give him sash and there both dead he is not faster than charizard after one speed boost
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When talking about giving items to pokemon in a 1v1 battle, you must always assume that the opponent can have the same item. Since Infernape has a higher base speed than Charizard, Infernape can use a choice scarf as well and outspeed Charizard. T-punch (using iron fist) and Stone Edge will OHKO a Charizard. The same goes for focus sash; Infernape will attack, survive the Air Slash, then retaliate for the KO. Blaziken is a bit different. You wouldn't scarf something that has speed boost so a scarfed Charizard would outspeed it even after a single boost. However if they are both equiped with a focus sash, then Blaziken will come out on top most of the time.
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thunder punch will not kill charizard even with iron fist which is a horrible ability i think and i dont think he can learn any rock move stronger than rockslide and ok lets say with no items then...charizard still beats them both... well he may lose to infernape but im sry infernape is one of the worst pokemon ever made he dont kill nothing in one hit and he gets taken out in one hit
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Iron fist Thunderpunch comming from an Infernape can and will OHKO Charizard everytime. Both Blazi and Infernape learn Stone Edge--the strongest distributed rock type move in the game which will always OHKO Charizard who is 4xs weak to rock type moves. Even a rockslide will OHKO it. You should probably check the damage calculators. In a 1v1 battle, Infernape will always be able to beat Charizard. Blaziken with speed boost will also always be able to beat out Charizard. Out of the 3 fire starters here, Charizard is actually the worst one since its hindered by a horrible rock type weakeness and dismal speed.
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Dont even bother arguing with him. He has no idea what hes talking about and and will never realize how wrong his previous statement was on so many levels.
deadae:
u can say that all u want but i've used one and it suck didt ohko anything and i mean any thing never even beat anything unless i used it to revenge kill i've even battle zoro's a lot of times his infernape never took out my charizard and he always thuinder punched it same with ms ice his thunder punch dont kill my charizard so i dont see how it ohko's any other and i've used the thing its not anywhere near reliable as the other fir pokemon...any of them it sucked so bad everyone i battle yanks it off their team he just looks sweet and thats it
still this is all just my thaughts on him not trying to offend u noah but this has already been proven to me several times cuz my charizard has no def stat what-so ever and infernape never once ko'd it....and lately i havent even battled any on PO he's just not a good pokemon to me or to use against me
and also my favorit fire starter is blaziken and always has been but he with one speed boost has never out sped my charizard he needs two
i just checked it out its cuz my charizard is scarfed and he thwarts blaziken everytime so in my book he is better cuz ppl never scarf there blaziken yes in fernape can beat him but he has never beaten my charizard with no thunder punch so this is false its a three way cirlce cuz blaziken cant beat charizard and he creams infernape and charizard cant beat infernape but when it comes to beating other pokemon i have no faith nor have i ever seen infernape take anything out he hits it extremly hard and then gets taken out every time thats what ive seen in every battle hes beenin unless he has a mach punch to back him up he is useless and blaziken with speed boost is something i would trust to take out alot of pokemmon along with charizard but im sry i would never again use an infernape they suk
Noah_Road:
Smgon Damage Calculator Results:
Infnerape@Adamant Nature
252Atl/64Sp.Atk/192Speed
Using: Thunderpunch
Vs.
Charizard@Timid
252Sp.Atk/252Sp/4Def
Results: 282 - 332-94.9% - 111.8%
So an iron fist Infernape using Thunderpunch has a 6% chance of NOT OHKOing a charizard. What I've noticed on Zoracorio is that he doesn't use the standard EV sets, which mean that he's probably making use of weaker/more unique Infernape sets.
Infnerape@Adamant Nature
252Atl/64Sp.Atk/192Speed
Using: Stone Edge
Vs.
Charizard@Timid
252Sp.Atk/252Sp/4Def
Results: 592 - 700-199.3% - 235.7%
This means that a Stone Edge is going to always OHKO a Charizard. For kicks and giggles I went back to claculate Rock Slide as well.
Infnerape@Adamant Nature
252Atl/64Sp.Atk/192Speed
Using: Rock Slide
Vs.
Charizard@Timid
252Sp.Atk/252Sp/4Def
Results: 448 - 528-150.8% - 177.8%
Rock Slide comming from an Infernape will also always OHKO a Charizard.
Point being that a standard Infernape (and to an extent, Speed Boost Blaziken) will always beat out Charizard by exploiting its crippling rock weakness. I get into competative debates pretty easliy.
John Flame:
Uhhhh,i couldn't help but join the chat.
But deadae,that infernape can't have max attack.Same with the blaziken,it did not have max speed.
I use a charizard,he is my all time favourite pokémon.And id say 70% of all super effective attacks OHKO it.
Btw scarfing your charizard to me looks like an obselete idea.Charizard isn't a pokémon made to go and come repeatidly.Predicting and SR will shave off Charizard.
Also i wont let you call Infernape a weak pokémon.And this makes me believe that you don't have that much knowlegend of battling.
Infernape can make a great lead,and a great sweeper.Both physical or special.Or EVEN mixed.
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