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Roloc:
--- Quote from: Simulacrum on November 12, 2011, 07:26:28 PM --- Here's a list of 5 dumb things Obama has done(These are in no specific order, I just listed them as I thought of them):
1. The Stimulus Package:
This Stimulus Package is basically a warmed-over New Deal(as far as I can tell anyway.) The Government it spending $80.9 billion on things like highways, bridges, removing lead paint from public housing, electric vehicle technology, green energy technology, and more. There's even a $650 million being spent on DTV conversion coupons.
Congressmen were forced to vote on it without even getting to read it. This is just more government funding for government projects. The Democratic Congress is spending tax-payer's money on projects to advance their own agendas. Remember in the presidential debates when McCain attacked Obama for his wasteful spending, and what Obama said? He promised over and over again that he would "go through those bills line by line." This is a bill that he should have gone through completely, and he signed it into law without even crossing anything out. Either he was stupid enough to pass the law after he read it, or he didn't read it through. Didn't he say that he would go through bills and get rid of any unnecessary spending the bill would cause? Seriously, how are DTV conversion coupons going to stimulate the economy?
This method of boosting the economy has already been tested, and it failed.
--- Quote ---“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” - Henry Morgenthau Jr., secretary of the Treasury to FDR
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”
--- End quote ---
If it didn't work then, why would it work now?
2. Throwing Weekly White House Parties
While Obama is spreading doom and gloom about the economic disasters supposedly created by Bush, he’s partying like it’s 1999. Between the Stevie Wonder concerts and the $100 per pound steaks, he's sure making a pig out of himself with our tax money. With Obama going wild with his parties, and spending more on the food for one meal than some Americans make in a month, does he really have any right to condemn corporations like Honeywell for buying private jets (which, by the way, aren’t just for luxury’s sake.)?
3. Obama's Housing Relief Plan(I haven't had the opportunity to read this bill, this is just what I've heard. But from what I understand, it says something like this)
If you’re paying too much on your mortgage, the government will help you. If you can work with your bank to get your mortgage payment down to 35% of your annual income, then the government will match your bank dollar for dollar in getting your monthly payment down to only 30% of your income.
Not only is this plan totally stupid, but it’s basically back-door socialism. Do people who went out and got mortgages that they couldn't afford to buy houses beyond their means deserve to have the government pay their bills? What about the people who bought the smaller, cheaper house on the bad side of town, which they could actually afford? Why should the government reward irresponsible people and punish people who bought the house they could actually afford?
(I will edit this and include the last ones later, I don't have time to finish it right now.)
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From what I can tell all you did is copy&paste stuff other people have wrote about it.
TrainerX:
I did use multiple sources(and some things that I remember family members saying) to make sure that I didn't miss important details, and to find the right way to say what I wanted to when I got stuck(without completely copying what they said). However, I did figure out the list before I found these sources, and I did know the majority of the things that were already there. The main reason that I used other sources was so that I wasn't misunderstood when I couldn't really think of how I should say something. So, for the most part, those are my thoughts, I simply changed the way that I worded my thoughts so that it didn't look like I was ranting about something that I knew almost nothing about because I simply didn't say it the right way. Now that I re-read my post, I forgot to mention that I used other sources(which I really did plan on doing) because I had like 5 more minutes to get ready before I had to leave(which is also why I didn't have time to list the other two reasons.) And I just wanted to point out; I didn't Copy and Paste anything :P
Roloc:
http://rightperspective.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/top-five-stupid-things-that-obama-has-done-so-far/
I found the first part right here only slightly reworded.
granted there were like 4 other sites as well with the same thing on them. But now that you said you used other sources I suppose it's fine. IMO though it still looks like a lot of copy&paste with some minor rewording.
Bing:
--- Quote from: Simulacrum on November 12, 2011, 07:26:28 PM --- Here's a list of 5 dumb things Obama has done(These are in no specific order, I just listed them as I thought of them):
1. The Stimulus Package:
This Stimulus Package is basically a warmed-over New Deal(as far as I can tell anyway.) The Government it spending $80.9 billion on things like highways, bridges, removing lead paint from public housing, electric vehicle technology, green energy technology, and more. There's even a $650 million being spent on DTV conversion coupons.
Congressmen were forced to vote on it without even getting to read it. This is just more government funding for government projects. The Democratic Congress is spending tax-payer's money on projects to advance their own agendas. Remember in the presidential debates when McCain attacked Obama for his wasteful spending, and what Obama said? He promised over and over again that he would "go through those bills line by line." This is a bill that he should have gone through completely, and he signed it into law without even crossing anything out. Either he was stupid enough to pass the law after he read it, or he didn't read it through. Didn't he say that he would go through bills and get rid of any unnecessary spending the bill would cause? Seriously, how are DTV conversion coupons going to stimulate the economy?
This method of boosting the economy has already been tested, and it failed.
--- Quote ---“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” - Henry Morgenthau Jr., secretary of the Treasury to FDR
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”
--- End quote ---
If it didn't work then, why would it work now?
2. Throwing Weekly White House Parties
While Obama is spreading doom and gloom about the economic disasters supposedly created by Bush, he’s partying like it’s 1999. Between the Stevie Wonder concerts and the $100 per pound steaks, he's sure making a pig out of himself with our tax money. With Obama going wild with his parties, and spending more on the food for one meal than some Americans make in a month, does he really have any right to condemn corporations like Honeywell for buying private jets (which, by the way, aren’t just for luxury’s sake.)?
3. Obama's Housing Relief Plan(I haven't had the opportunity to read this bill, this is just what I've heard. But from what I understand, it says something like this)
If you’re paying too much on your mortgage, the government will help you. If you can work with your bank to get your mortgage payment down to 35% of your annual income, then the government will match your bank dollar for dollar in getting your monthly payment down to only 30% of your income.
Not only is this plan totally stupid, but it’s basically back-door socialism. Do people who went out and got mortgages that they couldn't afford to buy houses beyond their means deserve to have the government pay their bills? What about the people who bought the smaller, cheaper house on the bad side of town, which they could actually afford? Why should the government reward irresponsible people and punish people who bought the house they could actually afford?
(I will edit this and include the last ones later, I don't have time to finish it right now.)
(I used multiple sources for my ideas, not to copy everything they said, but so that I wasn't misunderstood, or because I didn't know how I wanted to say it. They are my thoughts, and I did come up with the list before I found these sources)
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Um, the only real problem is #2. Yes parties at the white house cost money better spent elsewhere, on that I agree.
Ok, here we go.
#1) How is investing in green energy a bad thing? I mean more drilling isn't the answer. Eventually oil will run the chansey out. Then where will we turn?
Building highways, bridges and removing lead paint from public houses, first of all provides jobs and second, it increases the safety of the public. Do you want your child going to school and siting in a classroom lined with lead paint? Just because the school can't afford it?
The coupons sound extremely stupid but, actually have a purpose. What if you watch football every chansey sunday and bam now you can't afford it? Cause of the switch, you might be a little pissed, this one is more about crowd control if anything.
#3) This is a great idea! How can people afford to put money into the struggling economy if they're paying a large majority of what they make into their mortgage. While I agree, people should think before they buy, they well... honestly never will. Now with this help maybe they buy local instead of from a dam Wal-Mart because now they can afford to.
I still don't see anything wrong with #'s 1 and 3, and as far as #2 goes... Every dam president is going to do this. Get over it. The president has people that he must make a good impression to and well everyone parties where they live, with money they make from their JOB! (Yes, being president is a paying job.) Give the dam guy a break, it's not like he gets help from congress.
Ok, can we get back to how chanseyed up this bill is?
Cause things like this scare and disappoint me.
TrainerX:
--- Quote from: Bing on November 12, 2011, 10:34:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Simulacrum on November 12, 2011, 07:26:28 PM --- Here's a list of 5 dumb things Obama has done(These are in no specific order, I just listed them as I thought of them):
1. The Stimulus Package:
This Stimulus Package is basically a warmed-over New Deal(as far as I can tell anyway.) The Government it spending $80.9 billion on things like highways, bridges, removing lead paint from public housing, electric vehicle technology, green energy technology, and more. There's even a $650 million being spent on DTV conversion coupons.
Congressmen were forced to vote on it without even getting to read it. This is just more government funding for government projects. The Democratic Congress is spending tax-payer's money on projects to advance their own agendas. Remember in the presidential debates when McCain attacked Obama for his wasteful spending, and what Obama said? He promised over and over again that he would "go through those bills line by line." This is a bill that he should have gone through completely, and he signed it into law without even crossing anything out. Either he was stupid enough to pass the law after he read it, or he didn't read it through. Didn't he say that he would go through bills and get rid of any unnecessary spending the bill would cause? Seriously, how are DTV conversion coupons going to stimulate the economy?
This method of boosting the economy has already been tested, and it failed.
--- Quote ---“We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work.” - Henry Morgenthau Jr., secretary of the Treasury to FDR
--- End quote ---
--- Quote ---“I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot!”
--- End quote ---
If it didn't work then, why would it work now?
2. Throwing Weekly White House Parties
While Obama is spreading doom and gloom about the economic disasters supposedly created by Bush, he’s partying like it’s 1999. Between the Stevie Wonder concerts and the $100 per pound steaks, he's sure making a pig out of himself with our tax money. With Obama going wild with his parties, and spending more on the food for one meal than some Americans make in a month, does he really have any right to condemn corporations like Honeywell for buying private jets (which, by the way, aren’t just for luxury’s sake.)?
3. Obama's Housing Relief Plan(I haven't had the opportunity to read this bill, this is just what I've heard. But from what I understand, it says something like this)
If you’re paying too much on your mortgage, the government will help you. If you can work with your bank to get your mortgage payment down to 35% of your annual income, then the government will match your bank dollar for dollar in getting your monthly payment down to only 30% of your income.
Not only is this plan totally stupid, but it’s basically back-door socialism. Do people who went out and got mortgages that they couldn't afford to buy houses beyond their means deserve to have the government pay their bills? What about the people who bought the smaller, cheaper house on the bad side of town, which they could actually afford? Why should the government reward irresponsible people and punish people who bought the house they could actually afford?
(I will edit this and include the last ones later, I don't have time to finish it right now.)
(I used multiple sources for my ideas, not to copy everything they said, but so that I wasn't misunderstood, or because I didn't know how I wanted to say it. They are my thoughts, and I did come up with the list before I found these sources)
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Um, the only real problem is #2. Yes parties at the white house cost money better spent elsewhere, on that I agree.
Ok, here we go.
#1) How is investing in green energy a bad thing? I mean more drilling isn't the answer. Eventually oil will run the chansey out. Then where will we turn?
Building highways, bridges and removing lead paint from public houses, first of all provides jobs and second, it increases the safety of the public. Do you want your child going to school and siting in a classroom lined with lead paint? Just because the school can't afford it?
The coupons sound extremely stupid but, actually have a purpose. What if you watch football every chansey sunday and bam now you can't afford it? Cause of the switch, you might be a little pissed, this one is more about crowd control if anything.
#3) This is a great idea! How can people afford to put money into the struggling economy if they're paying a large majority of what they make into their mortgage. While I agree, people should think before they buy, they well... honestly never will. Now with this help maybe they buy local instead of from a dam Wal-Mart because now they can afford to.
I still don't see anything wrong with #'s 1 and 3, and as far as #2 goes... Every dam president is going to do this. Get over it. The president has people that he must make a good impression to and well everyone parties where they live, with money they make from their JOB! (Yes, being president is a paying job.) Give the dam guy a break, it's not like he gets help from congress.
Ok, can we get back to how chanseyed up this bill is?
Cause things like this scare and disappoint me.
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While I don't have a problem with the research in green energy, or bridges and highways, the main point was that we can't afford to make all of these billion dollar investments. We need to focus on getting out of debt for a while, or at least get ourselves in a better position. We don't have to stop all spending, but we need to limit ourselves a bit, otherwise we'll just keep plunging deeper into debt. And I understand that the coupons have a use, but they're spending $650 million dollars on them. It's unnecessary at this point.
I know all of the presidents throw parties, but Obama is throwing more than any president I know of, and he's spending more money on his parties than the other presidents did. And I'm not even counting how many vacations and golfing trips he's taken. Again, it's okay to do things like this, but he's taking way too many. If he wants a vacation or a golfing trip, that's fine, but he's gone on way too many of them.
Here's the problem with the third one.
--- Quote ---#3) This is a great idea! How can people afford to put money into the struggling economy if they're paying a large majority of what they make into their mortgage. While I agree, people should think before they buy, they well... honestly never will. Now with this help maybe they buy local instead of from a dam Wal-Mart because now they can afford to.
--- End quote ---
The thing is, the irresponsible people are the ones who are getting help. The responsible people who are living in small houses on the bad side of town in a crappy neighborhood because they actually make sure they can afford it aren't getting any help. Not only that, but if people have the mortgages that they can't afford, and the government is helping them pay it, more people are going to start doing it because they can get away with it.
--- Quote ---The president has people that he must make a good impression to and well everyone parties where they live, with money they make from their JOB! (Yes, being president is a paying job.) Give the dam guy a break, it's not like he gets help from congress.
--- End quote ---
The president doesn't seem to worried about making a good impression on everyone. Did you hear about his meeting with the British Prime Minister? Or the President of France? If not, look it up, you'll get what I'm saying. I know the president gets paid, but he's still throwing way too many parties.
So, are we supposed to just ignore all of the problems he's causing or the things that he's doing then? Just sit there and pretend he's doing better things than he really is, and helping the state of the economy?
If you want to go back to the bill, that's fine. I just want to point out one thing though. Obama supports socialist policies like this :P
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