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[CLOSED] The Elemental Elites (continues in the new thread)
Mr. Fox:
I was saying only an idiot would cry over something that stupid. I am more mature then to cry over a birdy that is faster then me. ;D
zylonnick:
Most people tend to put a LO (or CB) on Staraptor , so it can Roost off damage when they are able to and want to switch moves when necessary. Just pointing that out. Most fghting types have already been balanced or are in testing, and I don't see a faster fighting type coming around. Maybe it's necessary for some future fighting type to get more speed, but don't expect too much from it.
The only fighting types that haven't been discussed yet are Hitmonchan, Hitmontop, Throh, Sawk and Mienshao so again, it might happen, but probably not.
Mr. Fox:
So? Even wit out a scarf it still has a base speed of 100 and only two in game fight type, not including a unburden hitmonlee, will be able to out run it.
Come on! I mean I might not have made balance, but I do know that fight is going to be an underwhelming type.
Edit: Sure it might encourage the usage of other, formerly weaker pokemon, but lets not destroy what made the type great.
zylonnick:
--- Quote from: The Fox on December 11, 2011, 09:20:53 AM ---So? Even wit out a scarf it still has a base speed of 100 and only two in game fight type, not including a unburden hitmonlee, will be able to out run it.
Come on! I mean I might not have made balance, but I do know that fight is going to be an underwhelming type.
--- End quote ---
Underwelming? You're calling 1 of the best offensive types (with only 2 weaknesses) underwelming while several of them got a boost and only a couple like Roobushin and Macham (I think that's it) p got a nerf. Seriously, underwelming? Then why do you train fighting types?
Mr. Fox:
Because no matter what happens to fight I will always be loyal to it. It has some of my favorite pokemon in it and I just like its offensive prowess.
Yes underwhelming. Take a look at those two weakness after their buffs. Most of them are faster then most fight types, only two fight pokemon are over 100 base speed, and those that are faster are able to simply cripple the slower fighters. Even if they aren't faster they have the ability to either make them slower or make their attacks do nothing by buffing their stats. Flying has Togekiss, with enough bulk to make sure that it gets a T-Wave off it can just abuse Para-flinching. Psychic hits fight on its weak underbelly. Most fights have less then impressive SpDef stats so one hit usually kos them.
I don't know about you but I really pay attention to base stats and Psychic and flying have some of the fastest sweepers around that just destroy any fight type that gets in their way. Yes Fight has Scrafty to deal with Psychic, but any good psychic player runs around with a fight type move somewhere in their sets. And Scrafty has no way to boost its special defense against a special sweeper that is built to tear holes with its special attack! Just look at the statistics. To be able to outrun most of the fight type you need just 90 base speed. There are four fight type pokemon with a base speed of over, and I am not counting an unburden Hitmonlee or Speed boost Blaziken as they take time to set up, and how many psychic and flying types have a base speed higher then 90? Or have the bulk to shrug off any attack that a fight pokemon can throw their way?
All I am asking is look at the statistics, watch stats, learn patterns, just watch the damn trends! Every thing follows a pattern, and the Balance team, not complaining, wants to create a balanced meta game where all pokemon are balanced. Well you see an overbearing type like fight and you imediatly think, take their power. Take what makes Fight one of the top tier threats. Then all of a sudden they are struggling to handle their type weaknesses.
Take a look at dark, they fear Fight like the plague. But with the like of Zororark, Honchcrow, Mandibuzz, and Hydreigon they are able to just tear them apart. Bug is/was one of the most under-rated types around, but now they are able to easily check and counter Rock and fire types. Ledian got a massive boost in his speed and attack stats, as well as Spore and Drain Punch. Just look at the trends! The strong types are losing their edge and the weaker types are getting sharpened to a point where the former types are taking their place!
I don't want to make anybody angry, but I notice patterns. And this is one pattern I can't ignore because it is so obvious.
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