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[CLOSED] The Elemental Elites (continues in the new thread)
Mr. Fox:
My entire last post was "If it is sent out BEFORE a set up pokemon gets a chance to set up." If Lucario or any fight types get any sort of boost Starapor's pitiful defs are going to be a major let down to him, other then that a sash is one of the only ways to guarantee that you are going to get a kill. I am sure that if you did an experiment and tested every balanced fight type against staraptor you would find he OHKOs every one of them. So if he is perhaps a lead, or is sent out as a revenger against, for example, my lead machamp, my team is going to really be hurting before I manage to take it out.
I am not complaining at the balance crew in any way I am just pointing out that fight has a serious problem in Starapor and many other fast flying types.
I just thought of something. You could say the same thing about bug. Staraptor could easily tear an entire team to shreds, but it can't because bug has the likes of Scizor, Ledian, Fortress, Durant, and even Shuckel. All of those pokes are able to either resist or out speed it and with their impressive attack/def stats take it out with out so much as a sweat, save scizor maybe.
I mean, come on! Take a look at Ledian's stats! Base Stats: 65 / 105 / 65 / 55 / 110 / 130. With 130 speed and 105 attack he is almost always going to OHKO any staraptor, not to mention it has access to Spore! But of course, the problem at hand is scarfed Staraptors and a scarfed one will eat Ledian for lunch.
Ponge, as I close this post I challange you to take every fight pokemon, every one of them and pit them head to head with Staraptor. Lets see who wins almost every time. With that I close one of my longest posts on this site.
Shadowfred:
Ponge just said some ways to do it without set up, but that's not what I'm here for. I have made a team of 6 staraptors with scarfs. It's probably a little late for people to be testing, but I'll likely be on some time tomorrow (10-12 hours from now most likely) if you want to have a go proving your respective points.
zylonnick:
--- Quote from: The Fox on December 10, 2011, 12:51:28 PM ---My entire last post was "If it is sent out BEFORE a set up pokemon gets a chance to set up." If Lucario or any fight types get any sort of boost Starapor's pitiful defs are going to be a major let down to him, other then that a sash is one of the only ways to guarantee that you are going to get a kill. I am sure that if you did an experiment and tested every balanced fight type against staraptor you would find he OHKOs every one of them. So if he is perhaps a lead, or is sent out as a revenger against, for example, my lead machamp, my team is going to really be hurting before I manage to take it out.
I am not complaining at the balance crew in any way I am just pointing out that fight has a serious problem in Starapor and many other fast flying types.
I just thought of something. You could say the same thing about bug. Staraptor could easily tear an entire team to shreds, but it can't because bug has the likes of Scizor, Ledian, Fortress, Durant, and even Shuckel. All of those pokes are able to either resist or out speed it and with their impressive attack/def stats take it out with out so much as a sweat, save scizor maybe.
I mean, come on! Take a look at Ledian's stats! Base Stats: 65 / 105 / 65 / 55 / 110 / 130. With 130 speed and 105 attack he is almost always going to OHKO any staraptor, not to mention it has access to Spore! But of course, the problem at hand is scarfed Staraptors and a scarfed one will eat Ledian for lunch.
Ponge, as I close this post I challange you to take every fight pokemon, every one of them and pit them head to head with Staraptor. Lets see who wins almost every time. With that I close one of my longest posts on this site.
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You obviously didn't got the point of my reply. I've beaten lots of Staraptors in the past (mostly in monotype against a mono normal team) in more then 1 way, like with that Hitmonlee or any other one of the pokemon I mentioned earlier. Just try them out and find out yourself.
Roloc:
--- Quote from: The Fox on December 10, 2011, 12:51:28 PM ---My entire last post was "If it is sent out BEFORE a set up pokemon gets a chance to set up." If Lucario or any fight types get any sort of boost Starapor's pitiful defs are going to be a major let down to him, other then that a sash is one of the only ways to guarantee that you are going to get a kill. I am sure that if you did an experiment and tested every balanced fight type against staraptor you would find he OHKOs every one of them. So if he is perhaps a lead, or is sent out as a revenger against, for example, my lead machamp, my team is going to really be hurting before I manage to take it out.
I am not complaining at the balance crew in any way I am just pointing out that fight has a serious problem in Starapor and many other fast flying types.
I just thought of something. You could say the same thing about bug. Staraptor could easily tear an entire team to shreds, but it can't because bug has the likes of Scizor, Ledian, Fortress, Durant, and even Shuckel. All of those pokes are able to either resist or out speed it and with their impressive attack/def stats take it out with out so much as a sweat, save scizor maybe.
I mean, come on! Take a look at Ledian's stats! Base Stats: 65 / 105 / 65 / 55 / 110 / 130. With 130 speed and 105 attack he is almost always going to OHKO any staraptor, not to mention it has access to Spore! But of course, the problem at hand is scarfed Staraptors and a scarfed one will eat Ledian for lunch.
Ponge, as I close this post I challange you to take every fight pokemon, every one of them and pit them head to head with Staraptor. Lets see who wins almost every time. With that I close one of my longest posts on this site.
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always just ohko it wil scoli. scarfed rockslide ftw!
Mr. Fox:
Thanks to ShadowFred both Ponge and I are proven right. Every pokemon that Ponge listed was able to take the Staraptor out, but for Infernape it was only possible with the sash, and Hitmonlee wasn't able to take it out at full health with Stone Edge, but as Fred pointed out most teams will only have one Staraptor so with the combined damage of fake out and Stone Edge the Staraptor is down and out. But every other pokemon I sent out against it was taken out before it could even move.
The point is fight is strong against normal, but normal is paired with flying more then any type, and fight has a hell of a time with flying as only one, ingame, will be faster then 100 base speed. I am just hopping that the balance crew finds a solution to this "problem"
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