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Pokémon Discussion => Games => Topic started by: Aquashin on September 19, 2011, 04:49:33 AM
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People here, what if i told you that Regigigas with Slow Start its a powerhouse pokemon? he his Normal type that means 1 weakness (Fighting) and 1 total resistance (Ghost).
You say: " Slow Start reduces Attack and Speed by half in the first 5 turns, Regigigas cant hang alive for that long and if it does, he will be almost KOed"
That is true, but your not seeying the whole picture for sure.
Facts:
- Regigigas has awsome stats of total 670;
- 160 of the 670 its Attack, means that it can go up to a maximum of 460 Attack;
- Slow Start only lasts 5 turns, after that its full power;
Now you ask me " How is someone able to use Regigigas even with Slow Start?"
Simple, he just needs a little help from another realy usefull pokemon, can you guess which one is it? its known for its Speed and for having Speed Boost... yup, you all got it, Ninjask.
Ninjask needs 4 moves to be working perfect for this, Baton Pass, Substitute, Protect and Swords Dance. Hold item Leftovers
You Say " those are all non-attacking moves, it can be stoped with Taunt"
True but if you guess how your opponent will playout, you can prevent Taunt from happening, you just need to know which pokemon are ussualy used with Taunt, then prevent it.
And now for the way to use Ninjask to Regigigas.
Requirements:
- Ninjask with the moves i told you earlyer;
- Regigigas with ONLY 3 attack moves, 1 MUST be Protect
- Regigigas with Adamant Nature, HP - 156 EV, Def - 176 EV, Sp.Def - 176;
- Regigigas and Ninjask both with Leftovers Hold Item;
You see this and ask " Why no Ev's on Attack?"
Trust me, it works, if you do the Ev correctly you will end with a Regigigas with the stats like mine is and like it stays on PO: 400/391/300/176/300/236
And no you ask me again " Why must one move must be Protect? why not 4 attack moves?"
Its a just-in-case move, if the 5 turns havent passed allready, you can use Protect to add one more turn.
Things you MUST beware:
- Stealth Rock: Have one of the other 4 pokemon in your team with Rapid Spin to clear them and defeat the pokemon with it quickly so its not a problem for Ninjask.
- Fire Type moves: Alot of people use Fire Type moves like the famous Flamethrower, to prevent your Ninjask from fainting, have a Alomomola like i do, its a good Physical Wall but its a Water Type so its half damage.
How to use Ninjask:
You need to have expert strategist skills in this one, the tactic can be easy, but hard at the same time, you need to be sure you can use Swords Dance whenever you are able, 6 turns are needed for Speed Boost be make it +6 Speed, 3 are needed for Swords Dance to reach +6 Attack.
The Tactic is, Substitute » Protect » Substitute » Protect and Etc...
You " Why Substitute first?" Answer - If your opponent switches pokemon, you have the Substitute to protect for 1 turn and you can use Swords Dance.
When can you use Swords Dance? When your Substitute holds on agaisn't the other pokemon's attack move.
Results: If you are able to Baton Pass to Regigigas with +6 Attack and +6 Defense, by PO stats, it will have nearly 680 Attack and 450 Speed, when the Slow Start ends, it will have nearly 1400 Attack and 1000 Speed, you can 1 hit KO any pokemon with this without any stat ups on defense.
Looks simple right? Belive me, mastering this tactic takes alot of your mind and concentration, make sure you are ready for dissapointment if it doesn's work at first time.
Any questions or doubts or complains pleasse post it below or PM me, i will be happy to answer the Pms.
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A pointless thread as there will be no legends in this game. But on the other hand, how many people do you see using Regigigas skilfully.
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A pointless thread as there will be no legends in this game. But on the other hand, how many people do you see using Regigigas skilfully.
its not pointless, since Regigigas its NOT considered a Uber, and people dont use it because of Slow Start, i found and created a way to use it skillfully, just sharing my findings which im proud of sharing.
this has surprised alot of people i battled with, they wouldnt know what to do agaisnt it and they ended up losing everytime.
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you on PO(Pokemon Online). If you are I am foxofwar on the main server, I would love to see your strategy!
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That's not the point he was making, in Pokemon Universe, you won't be able to legendary pokemon, even if they aren't considered uber.
If your strategy to use regigigas is baton passing +6 atk and +6 speed, it's not really a regigigas strategy, you could replace it with any physical attacker and have the same results.
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To Fox - right now i cant since its allready 5 am and i need sleep...
To Shadowfred - it is a Regigigas Strategy, you might consider it a Ninjask strategy but if you look at it correctly, it isnt, i said in the guide how to build the Regigigas so it isnt weak, and how to make the Ninjask work 100%, instead of calling Pointless to some Guides that people like me take their own time to make to help other people, read it correctly and try to use it for your own benefict, we will be happy if you do.
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cool no problem, I will see you when you get on.
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First off, I never said that it was pointless.
Secondly, I can see that you've said how to build the regigigas, but with those evs you'll end up with 782 attack and 472 speed (with slow start) with the +6 boosts, that's enough to outspeed and pretty much OHKO everything, so the defensive stats aren't really needed. You could instead put 252 into attack and speed and have 960 attack and 598 speed with slow start.
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Already I don't like you... making a thread on how to use a legendary effectively. Huzzah!
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A friend of mine found an amazing Regigigas strategy.
Regigigas@Leftovers
Adamant Nature
252 Atk/208 HP/48 Def
~Swagger
~Psych-Up
~Return
~Fire Punch
The idea of this set is to switch in safely, preferably on a special attacker or any wall. Use Swagger, multiple times if you're using it on an opponent with no psycical attacks and they don't switch out, then use Psych-Up. You now have a +2 Regigigas (which is something even with slow start) against a confused opponent. After slow start has worn off Regigigas can OHKO most of the metagame. Return is your main weapon here which can OHKO a huge portion of the metagame after a +2 boost when slow start has worn off and can 2HKO many things with slow start in effect. Fire punch is to hit the steel types that resist Return. You can opt for Earthquake which hits rock types as well but will find yourself walled by Skarmory.
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Yeah. If you're seriously going for +6 Atk/Spe Regigias, why not use +6 Atk/Spe Lucario or something...?
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Or Feraligatr :D
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Or any physical attacker that doesn't have slow start.
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Already I don't like you... making a thread on how to use a legendary effectively. Huzzah!
Then dont like me, im new here and i didnt knew that everyone had problems with legendary pokemon, me ussualy dont use Legendary, i only used Regigigas until now because its a NU (Never Used) pokemon.
Yeah. If you're seriously going for +6 Atk/Spe Regigias, why not use +6 Atk/Spe Lucario or something...?
Nope, the reason is that Regigias isnt weak agaisnt Ground, Fire or Ice (Earthquake, Flamethrower, Ice Beam) that are the mostly used type moves, it only has 1 weakness and 1 Resistance, but more importantly, because of the Slow Start since its a move that alot of people dont like because its halves Attack and Speed, but doesnt halves Defense or Sp.Defense which in the way i putted makes Regigigas endure moves.
First off, I never said that it was pointless.
Secondly, I can see that you've said how to build the regigigas, but with those evs you'll end up with 782 attack and 472 speed (with slow start) with the +6 boosts, that's enough to outspeed and pretty much OHKO everything, so the defensive stats aren't really needed. You could instead put 252 into attack and speed and have 960 attack and 598 speed with slow start.
The pointless thing im sorry it was to Fox... sorry if i put it to you...
the EVs i putted are to make sure Regigigas endures attacks that are thrown at him if he needs to when having alot of power, i have seen a Dragonite trained in Evs like these and it was a Tank.
If i insulted anyone here, im sorry, like i said above, i didnt knew that people here didn't liked Legendary Pokemon, so, my apologies...
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Im with the regigas guy on this one.
Sure you might frown on legends, but if you frown on them all then you have NO IDEA of how the tier system works in pokemon.
Regigas is NU, as in NEVER USED, because it sucks.
This guy clearly likes it, and is sharing his ideas on how to use it, cut him some f*cking slack, or il start giving out warnings.
There will always be a better pokemon for the job, hence the tiers.
OU pokemon are, as stated OVER USED, as in. You are just like everyone els you prick.
I like originality, I like playing with underrated Pokemon.
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Im with the regigas guy on this one.
Sure you might frown on legends, but if you frown on them all then you have NO IDEA of how the tier system works in pokemon.
Regigas is NU, as in NEVER USED, because it sucks.
This guy clearly likes it, and is sharing his ideas on how to use it, cut him some f*cking slack, or il start giving out warnings.
There will always be a better pokemon for the job, hence the tiers.
OU pokemon are, as stated OVER USED, as in. You are just like everyone els you prick.
I like originality, I like playing with underrated Pokemon.
Thanks, in my opinion, im one of those that doesnt like to play with OU, it gives me such a pleasure to kick ass of OU pokemon with NU ones
and im not a guy... im a girl...
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Oh, sorry, I just assumed.
Yeah im one of those as well, but I try and keep to 1st edition pokes as well, since those are the coolest I think :).
U got pokemon lab? Wanna battle? :)
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i have PO, if you want to i can battle there. pm me for those kinds of things...
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Also guys, really? This isn't in the PU-related threads, it's in the 'Pokemon Discussion: Games' where the description is, I quote, "Everything about the Pokémon games goes here." I don't see how the fact that PU is not having any legendaries, says that we can't talk about them here.
How many threads were there asking for the most favourite pokemon game, help with such and such team, pokemon spin-offs, the traditional games and so on?
As for me, I would perhaps prefer Regigigas in a double battle, where one pokemon gets something like Worry Seed, or Gastro Acid to neutralise Regigigas' ability. Or Skill Swap all the way to give the opponent Slow Start on the 2nd turn and if you can force switch that pokemon of your opponent's, that pokemon will be slowed each time it will be sent out.
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Also guys, really? This isn't in the PU-related threads, it's in the 'Pokemon Discussion: Games' where the description is, I quote, "Everything about the Pokémon games goes here." I don't see how the fact that PU is not having any legendaries, says that we can't talk about them here.
How many threads were there asking for the most favourite pokemon game, help with such and such team, pokemon spin-offs, the traditional games and so on?
As for me, I would perhaps prefer Regigigas in a double battle, where one pokemon gets something like Worry Seed, or Gastro Acid to neutralise Regigigas' ability. Or Skill Swap all the way to give the opponent Slow Start on the 2nd turn and if you can force switch that pokemon of your opponent's, that pokemon will be slowed each time it will be sent out.
thats a realy good strategy as well, i mean it
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Im with the regigas guy on this one.
Sure you might frown on legends, but if you frown on them all then you have NO IDEA of how the tier system works in pokemon.
Regigas is NU, as in NEVER USED, because it sucks.
This guy clearly likes it, and is sharing his ideas on how to use it, cut him some f*cking slack, or il start giving out warnings.
There will always be a better pokemon for the job, hence the tiers.
OU pokemon are, as stated OVER USED, as in. You are just like everyone els you prick.
I like originality, I like playing with underrated Pokemon.
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Some of you were being complete *ssholes for no good reason.
Bing, that comment was completely uncalled for. So what, she uses Regigigas, and made a strategy so that she can effectively use it? That doesn't mean you should make a comment like that, just because you don't like legendaries or whatever that was about. Don't even post in a thread if you're going to say something like that. Not only is it uncalled for, it makes a bad impression on some people who are thinking about joining/just joined. People have decided to leave/not join because they saw posts like that on the forums.
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pleasse dont start a fight...
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Agreed that the Topic Creator shouldn't have been hassled, and that this topic is suitably placed in the correct forum - but I'm not about to argue with people who think that the topic is lacking a bit.
It's a topic about basically a Ninjask pass and how it can support a Pokemon.
Ninjask isn't exactly riveting discussion already, being probably the most cookie-cutter Pokemon in existence.
Gammal: I very much disagree with you calling someone a prick. I don't think that's suitable conduct.
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You missunderstan Pidgey. The "prick" part was generally meant to OU users.
And yes, it was uncalled for, didnt mean to offend anyone
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/me is offended, so he goes to get his Ratata to bite Gammal's Pokémon.
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Regigas is NU, as in NEVER USED, because it sucks.
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still dont mean it sucks.
i personally hate legends and have a plan to take out everyone i face... beaten plenty of regigas or whatever in po (and i faced like 5 of them so far -so somepeople use it) and skarmory handles him easy... but i think this guy was just trying to share a strategy to help ppl dnt be mean...
anyway if his attack stat is so low for the first five turns y not just give it choice band?
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Regigas is NU, as in NEVER USED, because it sucks.
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still dont mean it sucks.
i personally hate legends and have a plan to take out everyone i face... beaten plenty of regigas or whatever in po (and i faced like 5 of them so far -so somepeople use it) and skarmory handles him easy... but i think this guy was just trying to share a strategy to help ppl dnt be mean...
anyway if his attack stat is so low for the first five turns y not just give it choice band?
Variety of Attacks its better, and if its Baton Pass by Ninjask, the attack would be near 700, not that low, a Fire Punch would be enough to defeat that Skarmory of yours
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why wouldnt someone just use a priority move and take out ninjask on the turn protect dont work... its kinda comon since something else is gonna come out if ninjask is sitting there using protect and substitue with speed boost its too easy to stop thats y i stopped using ninjask. it work on ppl the first battle but the second battle theyd just use a priority move and take out ninjask... and to me u haven't won until best of three
there also maybe someone fast enough to force ninjask or regigigas to switch out too like roar or whirlwind
oh yueah dont take this as an argument just tryna make sure u can handle all sides of the situation
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why wouldnt someone just use a priority move and take out ninjask on the turn protect dont work... its kinda comon since something else is gonna come out if ninjask is sitting there using protect and substitue with speed boost its too easy to stop thats y i stopped using ninjask. it work on ppl the first battle but the second battle theyd just use a priority move and take out ninjask... and to me u haven't won until best of three
there also maybe someone fast enough to force ninjask or regigigas to switch out too like roar or whirlwind
oh yueah dont take this as an argument just tryna make sure u can handle all sides of the situation
True, priority moves can take out Ninjask, but you have to be clever on that part, since you need to guess which pokemon of your opponent have priority moves or Prankster.
and if Ninjask or Regigigas have their Speed at +6, no one can use Roar or Whirlwind on them first.
so you realy need to know alot about pokemon battles to know when to use Ninjask
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actually i meant b4 the speed boost.... u also have to watch out for the under used(in my opinion)destiny bond and focus sash.
i cant think of anymore ways to stop this tho so maybe someone else has a way to stop it...i say good job, use what u like, have fun, and do ur best
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yeah i saw a video of a guy sweeping with a Weedle, even i was amazed by it....
they guy starts with a Smeargle, using Substitute then Belly Drum with still Sub on, he Baton Passes to a Gorebiss with high defense and starts using Agility agaisnt a Feraligathr using Waterfall, after its stats go to +6, he Baton Pass to a Mawile, then uses Sub and starts using Iron Defense until its +6, Subs again and Baton Pass to the Weedle and starts sweeping with Bug Bite, i was like "What... the...f***"
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yeah i saw a video of a guy sweeping with a Weedle, even i was amazed by it....
they guy starts with a Smeargle, using Substitute then Belly Drum with still Sub on, he Baton Passes to a Gorebiss with high defense and starts using Agility agaisnt a Feraligathr using Waterfall, after its stats go to +6, he Baton Pass to a Mawile, then uses Sub and starts using Iron Defense until its +6, Subs again and Baton Pass to the Weedle and starts sweeping with Bug Bite, i was like "What... the...f***"
If you let a baton pass team set up on you, then you deserve to be swept by a Weedle.
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omg i used to hate baton pass teams now i just whirlwind them away
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I let them try to set up, gives my Lucario a chance to get some swords dances up, then I just Espeed them to death.
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Do u think that will ko gigas? Im not so sure?
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never see it... and I attack the passer before it can pass
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hitting a regigigas with ExtremeSpeed if the Regigigas is EV trained in Def, it still needs to be EV trained in HP to make sure he survives the Lucario Extremespeed.
but Fox as a point, using ExtremeSpeed to take out the Passer is a good ideia, except that i dealt with those alot of times, and i have a way to make it not work, i just need a Ghost type like Chandelure to not get hit by Extremespeed
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yup, but most people tend to use ninjask to pass. one Espeed on the attempted switch and its all over.
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well in my case to pass to the Chadelure, i only need +1 speed so since ussualy people use Swords Dance first, i use Substitute, then protect then Baton Pass so i can baton pass without much of a hassle
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chandelure tends to wall Lucario well.
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yup, thats what i meant
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unless he has stone edge. 8) but he never has that move.
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even if it has, it has a chance to miss, and Chandelure is faster, so attacks allways first
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and it would OHKO it with overheat. or flamethrower, what ever you like to run.
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omg i used to hate baton pass teams now i just whirlwind them away
Didn't you used a baton pass ninjask too?
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Yes and itnwasnt good enough for me