Issues to address:

1: "Avatar": Storylines are like coffee shops in the morning; dweeby folks go for
                 the energy and taste, a foundation for the day, and stay because
                 it makes them look sophisticated. Point being, the only people who
                 "enjoy a good storyline", are those who lack the intellectual stability
                 to acknowledge quality beyond "what's going on"(sureface value).
                 Sin city: "Man wants to kill man who killed whore", pretty lame, but
                 the character developement and underlining motives, lines and imagry
                 are what drive the story.
                     So we can agree, Avatar had a #$&y story. What we can't agree
                 on is your blind bias taking hold of your arrogant and ignorant evasion
                 of pop culture, and shooting down a movie of merit for the pride of
                 knowing that in a sea of mediocre-half-asses, you're the only one
                 who wastes several hours of your life at a coffee shop. Ever true
                 lookin'for quality in Avatar, or does you're mental sight stop at "Good
                 storyline=good movie: bad storyline=bad movie (with justification
                 that  makes me start to thing you're never actually seen the
                 movie )"?

P.S!!!! Chocobo: thanks for being such a swell fella

2: Mac's are stupid! ya know that "coffee shop kid" analogy? Well they're the only
    one's dumb enough to buy those! A lot more flash for double the price

3: Gammal: hahahaha I enjoy that you took the time to list that I think I might
                disagree with you on religion though. Christians are ridiculous hypocrits
                but never do I think a faith or belief should be judged by the sad sacs
                who follow it. Plus, if the belief goes that there's a being higher than
                all things, with a knowledge that goes beyond all knowledge, who
                created us, our minds, and everything, even time and reason...then I
                wouldn't tackel what "does" or "doesn't" make sense I mean, no
                matter what you believe, it just seems kinda silly to try'n reason with
               

Quote from: Kuhns on April 29, 2010, 07:34:42 AM

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i actually sorta disagree with the Avatar thing...If ya want a story, read an effing book. Star Wars story sucked. And almost all movies with a good story were that way because they were pulled from a book or graphic novel of some-sort. Movies are eye candy, and not much else, and for this, Avatar was and always will be a great stepping stone in movie history.

Spirited Away had an amazing storyline, and it wasn't based on a book. Movies use pictures to tell a story the same way a book uses words. Saying that a movie's quality is based on visuals is the same as saying a book's quality is based on the covers and what kind of font the author decided to use. I saw nothing in Avatar that I hadn't seen in a video game before. I almost was expecting a 'skip scene' button to appear, and sadly it never did. Avatar is not a stepping stone in movie history (IMO) it's just an overinflated fad that proved that people can be easily wowed by lame storyline, flat characters and pretty graphics.

There is so much truth to that, it's ridiculous. Movies are a visual representation of a story. To think you believe they are solely made to look good is completely absurd. So many classic films didn't "look great" but told amazing stories, had great actors, and amazing development. It's people who believe a movie's merit should be based on visuals that are killing films today. So many movies are being made to please the eye, so much that it'll draw from the other lacking components in the film. Transformers is a good example. The movies could have been good. However, Michael Bay focused way too much on explosions and pretty cgi to make up for the lack in acting ability, plot, dialogue, and characters overall.

First off, Hiyo Miazaki is a god, and is in no way to be compared to any film maker EVER. Secondly, I'll say it again, if you want a story, READ A BOOK. Movie's, has you said, are a visual representation of a story, so my point is not that they should have no story, rather that they depend less on their story. Instead, movies rely on expressions, and imagry, has poetry utilizes diction and syntax.
    Story means very little, it's just there so you know how to feel, because the Entertainment buisness (music, movies, writting and arts etc.) are only to inspire emotions. How the emotions are inspired, depends on the form of entertainment. In a novel, it's important because there's very little else to go off of (not to say there is NOTHING else). In movies, my point is that the inspiration of choice emotions is derived MORE so from visuals and appearant tones.
     The characters in Avatar were exeplairy (misspelled probably haha). The steady decline and decay of mind and morals, expressed through Jake Soule could only be expressed through his "Video updates", his expressions, eyes, tone. The cinematography, the symbolism of the falling tree. The computer animation even, all support to the tone and feel of what little story is there, and that is what makes it such a great film.
     An example of how not to make a movie or show would be like, almost ALL ANIMES. Look at DeathNote, or Naruto. Both have pretty good story lines, still, the visuals are nothing more than enough to remind millions of nerdy-metal-monkeys that they're still "cool" by some standards. The lines are HORRIBLY WRITTEN, the facial expressions are no more than angry or confused, and the character developement and design (mental, not phsyical) is nothing more that immature. "but there's story", and NOTHING else. Story is just the surface value of the art, to be taken by shallow sharks, hungry for a reason to indulge in their taste.
     There's too much focus on story, to little on everything else. Story is just another aspect of entertainment, a little one, to keep you on track. Too much more story in that movie, and it would have easily been overkill.
      And if you don't believe it's "such a stepping stone", then just look at all the up-coming 3D films, filled identicly, and yet nowhere near the quality. That's what makes a stepping stone, when it's set a new bar, high and more diffecult to grasp. The visual effects are better than any in the past, that's what made Matrix and STAR WARS so great.

No prob bro

Chill broseph I wasn't talking crap about either of them. I could if I wanted to....oh how I could...but I didn't (because I don't want to be mean)

Avatar. One of the biggest wastes of my money. Ever. Poor storyline, poor development, generic characters....

"But OMG teh graffics wer amuzing!1!1one!"

So? That only accounts to about....4% of a story. I hope that movie is set on fire and then pushed off a cliff into a pit of *movie-eating Pikachus.

i actually sorta disagree with the Avatar thing...If ya want a story, read an effing book. Star Wars story sucked. And almost all movies with a good story were that way because they were pulled from a book or graphic novel of some-sort. Movies are eye candy, and not much else, and for this, Avatar was and always will be a great stepping stone in movie history.

Whoo, that's quite the portolio you'z gotst there

HAPPY B-DAY BRO-SKI!!! 

Haha cool beanz well, I don't like to say "Everything"... but it's kinda da truth haha I like everything from Folk to rap to rock back to folk to indie to instrumental to foreign and back to rock haha