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Pokémon Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: Houshined on January 11, 2011, 09:51:06 AM
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i was cruising the internet and found this. i think its hilarious they hate on Pokemon for the WRONG REASONS.
http://www.cephas-library.com/save_our_children_pokemon_booklet.html
favorite quote:
"You can catch a Mew by cheating with a Gameshark."
YES CAUSE NINTENDO WANTS YOU TO ALTER THE GAME SO THEY CAN KICK U OFF THEIR END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT!
Heres some help Berit Kjos:
1) Pokemon fighting resembles illegal cock fights. forcing creatures to fight is wrong and fighting is wrong.
2) casinos are for adults, not children
3) leaving home at age 10 to wander the world and going on dangerous adventures without supervision or at least a call once a week is irresponsible
4) The world is not a safe place, misty should have been raped at least once and there should be more crack heads.
anyone else have any more funny articles or want to help berit kjos out or clearify?
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In my opinion, I think Pokemon is more realistic then Christianity.
(But, I do not want to get in a religion fight with any of you. I'm just to tired.)
But seriously, that guy is crazy.
1. In cock fights, they kill the animals, Pokemon faint, and they agree to come with you.
2. Nintendo said that, and there are no casinos in the next game.
3. Your mom calls in some games, and people say sometimes "You sould go visit your mom, and you can in the games.
4. I think the creator imagined Pokemon as a world peace in a way.
Berit Kjos, is not the brightest.
Also your link doesn't work.
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Oh gosh...
As a Christian i can say this guy is an idiot. Hes overreacting for all the wrong reasons and i cant believe he went through all that time to write that.
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@LucarioX
copy the link into your address bar
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just think of all the Christians Kjos is influencing. they are going to also be mad at pokemon even though that have NEVER SEEN IT or tried to understand it.
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HEY POKEMON IS FICTIONAL SO IT MUST BE EVIL!!!!!!!111!1!11!1!!!!!!!1!!1!
If anything needs reform, it's Christianity. Christianity's number one teaching is to have faith.
Faith is the belief and dependence on a force which you do not actually know is there. Moreover, it not only discourages thinking for yourself, they threaten to send you to hell if you defect from its beliefs.
Pokemon, on the other hand, teaches... OH! That's right, it doesn't TEACH anything! It's a GAME!
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HEY POKEMON IS FICTIONAL SO IT MUST BE EVIL!!!!!!!111!1!11!1!!!!!!!1!!1!
If anything needs reform, it's Christianity. Christianity's number one teaching is to have faith.
Faith is the belief and dependence on a force which you do not actually know is there. Moreover, it not only discourages thinking for yourself, they threaten to send you to hell if you defect from its beliefs.
Pokemon, on the other hand, teaches... OH! That's right, it doesn't TEACH anything! It's a GAME!
Dont dog on Christianity till you actually learn more about it. And we already said this man's views were misguided and wrong and are a bad representation of Christianity.
What you said reminded me of this verse, just thought i would share it with ya.
Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, and the conviction of things not seen.
Just something to remind me about faith.
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the thing here is that there are some people that are so fanatic with the religion that anithing that is not from the european art, intellect and imagination its an "evil thing" because its not chistian, so i think that maybe its not the religion that has go bacward, its the people, not everybody of course, that do not open their mind to think and that has no tolerance in things that are not of their culture
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Dont dog on Christianity till you actually learn more about it.
I did. And I did.
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Dragonball Z taught me that violently fighting people who inform you that you're their sibling is A okay, so I can totally see where this guy is coming from.
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HEY POKEMON IS FICTIONAL SO IT MUST BE EVIL!!!!!!!111!1!11!1!!!!!!!1!!1!
If anything needs reform, it's Christianity. Christianity's number one teaching is to have faith.
Faith is the belief and dependence on a force which you do not actually know is there. Moreover, it not only discourages thinking for yourself, they threaten to send you to hell if you defect from its beliefs.
Pokemon, on the other hand, teaches... OH! That's right, it doesn't TEACH anything! It's a GAME!
Im a Christian, and NO, The bold text is WRONG.
Faith, is beliveing in something. (Force, deity, or other)
However, believing in the sense that you believe it is there. You may not be able to see it, but its there.
Ex. ( I have faith that there is oxygen to breathe. )
Christianity is Historically, and Geographically accurate.
It, in and of itself is based on ten Commands. These are actually made to try make us better people. If one is broken, (Like lying,) you have sinned, (which we all do.)
This is where Jesus comes in, his death happened to release us from our sin. (Sin = BAD.) Like any crime, sin has its own penalty. DEATH. Or... specifically... eternal spiritual torture in the gates of Hell.
Christianity has made me a better person, and I don't wanna know where I would be without it.
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Im a Christian, and NO, The bold text is WRONG.
Faith, is beliveing in something. (Force, deity, or other)
However, believing in the sense that you believe it is there. You may not be able to see it, but its there.
Ex. ( I have faith that there is oxygen to breathe. )
Christianity is Historically, and Geographically accurate.
It, in and of itself is based on ten Commands. These are actually made to try make us better people. If one is broken, (Like lying,) you have sinned, (which we all do.)
This is where Jesus comes in, his death happened to release us from our sin. (Sin = BAD.) Like any crime, sin has its own penalty. DEATH. Or... specifically... eternal spiritual torture in the gates of Hell.
Christianity has made me a better person, and I don't wanna know where I would be without it.
1 - You don't have faith that there is oxygen to breathe. You have knowledge that oxygen is there.
Definition of faith:
Belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
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A) Christianity is partially accurate. There was a person named Joshua, and people claimed he was the Messiah. Do you honestly believe that he could cure Lepers and walk on water?
B) So what? I could say that the Spanish Inquisition traveled by sea from Italy to Canada to kill Abraham Lincoln. That's geographically accurate (you could sail a ship from Italy to Canada), but it's not true.
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Here's an interesting diddy right here. God not only gave us the OPTION to sin, he gave us a literally irresistible urge to indulge in them. THEN, he made the only way for us to be forgiven for him to have the only perfect person EVER be sacrificed. Does this sound like the kind of guy you want to put your faith in? If he were so loving, why didn't he just MIRACLE our asses clean?
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Because hahaha, if the God christians believe, in exists, he's just a mad chansey who likes to play around with idiots.
No but seriously, religions were intended to give people without hope in their life, something to live for, and to protect people from the urges to kill or harm others. Today we understand the consequences of our actions more clearly. A human life is worth a lot more. Therefore religion in these days simply does not work like before. IT STILL however gives some people hope and something to live for, especially in less fortunate places of the world. So just let them have their beliefs as long as it does not in any way threaten the ideology of the country you live in.
As for Pokemon... Well, Pokemon is a fictional universe. The world, although mostly based of Japanese culture, has pokemon that protects their trainers against possible dangers. Any form of perversion does not exist. I don't look upon this as bad, as kids would not understand this anyway. Pokemon is a kids show, in terms of the Anime.
Also, part of the reason you are young when you start the journey, is because of the guy behind the whole idea. He always, from young ages, wanted to be able to trade insects, or bugs that he collected. It was his big hobby. This was the result, and could be looked upon as a presentation of this person's dream.
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the whole argument on whether or not Christianity is real or not is kinda stupid... no point in the argument, cuz you cant really prove it's true, or that it's not..
i am a Christian myself cuz i think that it's what makes more sense..(whether u agree with me or not)..... but if you dont believe in any form of religion, you usually end up believing in pure science, which can't always explain everything..
dont get me wrong.. i love science.. i find it all interesting how you can figure out how the universe works from planets to cells..... buuuuut............. there still hasnt been any form of answer on how we came to be either...... nothing that proves evolution.... etc..
so in other words, you HAVE TO end up believing in something.. but none of the ideas anyone believes in can be completely proven or disproven, so i guess we'll just have to wait and see.. ;)
P.S. i had fun reading all the comments.... got me to think alittle.. 8)
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Well, they have found out that the universe is actually speeding up rather than slowing down, and that there must be some reason behind this. I believe there is something behind all of this, but I don't believe that this "God" (Whatever it is) has the personal characteristics that religions these days claim.
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I believe there is a "Creator". That's about all I have a firm belief in. Anything else, and I start to worry that I'll begin praying to an invisible man in the sky, asking him to help me solve my problems.
What is the quote I'm looking for? Oh- right.
"Be the change."
Don't rely on an unseen person to solve your problems, help you solve them, or even root for you to solve them. The only people you can rely on are yourself and your fellow humans. And if, when I die, I am sent to hell for not believing in the Christian God, I'll know that I still made the right choice, because I'd have been sent to hell for becoming an independent person, and that'd be a sure sign of a malicious god with a petty want for respect.
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Some of yall are very misguided about Christianity. I dont think im adequate enough to teach you about true Christianity yet, but i pray that someday someone does. However i will try to get yall to understand what i do now know.
To start off, our entire purpose in life is one thing and one thing only: to glorify God. We do this by ministering to others, praying, worshiping, and many other things. And our reward for this is the joy of bringing others to Christ and the prize of eternal life in heaven with God. Now dont look at this like we are all bowing down to a deity i the sky. Its much more personal than that. A christians goal in life is to establish a continuing relationship with Jesus through the manners ive described, one that is very hard for me to put in words. Its kind of like a relationship a father has with his son, but much deeper. I know most of yall dont think this is possible, but those of us with true faith, have experienced it. When we have this, we can rely on him for support through prayer and fellowship and he will guide our way. Its truly an amazing thing.
About the ten commandments stated earlier, people who arent Christians always look at them wrong. Think of them not as rules but as guidelines. Christianity is not about what you do wrong, its about what you do right. A Christian can break one of the commandments and still be a Christian, thats the whole purpose Jesus came to die for us. When God sent Jesus to sacrifice himself for us, he allowed us to have or sins forgiven, no matter how bad they were. As long as you have true faith in Christ and God, you will still go to heaven. The purpose of the ten commandments is to keep us pure in order to better establish that relationship i described earlier. You should want to yearn to keep the commandments so you can be the Christian God wants you to be and to establish a relationship with him. But you dont have to.
As to why everyone is born with sin, its pretty much a test that God gives all of us. God has a plan for everyones lives, and in order for them to carry out that plan, they have to stay true to God and not give to temptation. I believe sin exists to test our faith in God, because anybody can say they are a Christian, but its when times get tough that true Christians are revealed. If a Christian falls to sin, God gives plenty of opportunities in their lifetime through friends, other Christians, the bible, and more for them to come back to him. Go loves us all and he hates to see anyone fall to sin, however it isnt his way anymore to get directly involved in earthly affairs. In the bible you will understand that God stopped getting involved directly when Jesus left the Earth. As a result of this, God loves to work through his followers.
All of this isnt my personal opinion, its what i have learned through years in the church, reading the bible, and listening to sermons. I hope i have helped some of you to understand more about Christianity and us christians.
Oh and to Frenchfry, i had this book that was about a man who went out to disprove that god existed by finding historical facts against him, but in the end turned to Christianity because all the facts supported him. He tells his story and all the facts he found about God. If your interested i could go dig up the books name for ya.
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Misguided? I don't claim that you're misguided because you believe in Christianity. All i'm saying is that I don't have the same beliefs that you do. And I am/was Catholic (I still pay them money), and have gone through so called "confirmation" and "first communion", so I know very damn well what's it about.
You cannot claim that your belief is the righteous one, unless you want arguments.
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Misguided? I don't claim that you're misguided because you believe in Christianity. All i'm saying is that I don't have the same beliefs that you do. And I am/was Catholic (I still pay them money), and have gone through so called "confirmation" and "first communion", so I know very damn well what's it about.
All i'm saying is that you cannot claim your belief is the righteous one, unless you want arguments.
I write all that and all you have to respond about is the first sentence?
My claim that yall are misguided is about what some people here believe about Christianity, only that.
And i didnt say i dont want arguments
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In that case you write "Some of you are misguided", as well as point to these posts.
I didn't have to comment the rest of your post, and thus didn't do so.
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In that case you write "Some of you are misguided", as well as point to these posts.
I didn't have to comment the rest of your post, and thus didn't do so.
Alright i see your point ill change it. Im sorry
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Don't worry about it. We're all friends here. ;)
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Im a Christian, and NO, The bold text is WRONG.
Faith, is beliveing in something. (Force, deity, or other)
However, believing in the sense that you believe it is there. You may not be able to see it, but its there.
Ex. ( I have faith that there is oxygen to breathe. )
Christianity is Historically, and Geographically accurate.
It, in and of itself is based on ten Commands. These are actually made to try make us better people. If one is broken, (Like lying,) you have sinned, (which we all do.)
This is where Jesus comes in, his death happened to release us from our sin. (Sin = BAD.) Like any crime, sin has its own penalty. DEATH. Or... specifically... eternal spiritual torture in the gates of Hell.
Christianity has made me a better person, and I don't wanna know where I would be without it.
1 - You don't have faith that there is oxygen to breathe. You have knowledge that oxygen is there.
Definition of faith:
Belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
2 -
A) Christianity is partially accurate. There was a person named Joshua, and people claimed he was the Messiah. Do you honestly believe that he could cure Lepers and walk on water?
B) So what? I could say that the Spanish Inquisition traveled by sea from Italy to Canada to kill Abraham Lincoln. That's geographically accurate (you could sail a ship from Italy to Canada), but it's not true.
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Here's an interesting diddy right here. God not only gave us the OPTION to sin, he gave us a literally irresistible urge to indulge in them. THEN, he made the only way for us to be forgiven for him to have the only perfect person EVER be sacrificed. Does this sound like the kind of guy you want to put your faith in? If he were so loving, why didn't he just MIRACLE our asses clean?
@ Stefan...
I have a challenge for you.
Read the "Holy Bible" from cover to cover, DO NOT SKIP Anything.
If you don't believe, okay, I will drop it.
I would rather know that someone doesn't believe after understanding it all, than rant incorrect information...
Dude, I Went through what you are experiencing, I misunderstood it as well at first.
Read it, and you may just understand What my faith is. The Bible isn't a series of happy stories, that much I know, but like any other book, it can be read.
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To start off, our entire purpose in life is one thing and one thing only: to glorify God.
This sentence just about sums up life. Forget enjoyment, technological advancements, and LIFE. Just praise God. You know, the guy that was so nice that he gave us cancer, AIDS, rape, natural disasters, and - perhaps worst of all - a level of sentience that allows these things to bother us.
By Christianity's beliefs, God isn't very nice. Sure, he gave us all the good stuff, too, but it kinda got balanced out by what I mentioned above. I don't owe any favors to that guy, and I'm definitely not going to preach to others about how great he is, when, really, it seems like he was bored one day and wanted to watch something weaker than him squirm.
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I'ma just jump in, the coversation, for a minute.
Am I Christian, no, I'm actually something I call "Undecided" which means, I'm not going to be like a lot of other people and just be what my family is (Probably because literally every single one of them is a different religion.) Either way, it means I look into every other religion and just be what makes the most sense to me.
Am I going to try to make you not Christian? No, because I believe Christianity makes some people happy, to believe ther3e is a god, because everyone needs something to believe in, right? IF you want to believe that, fine by me, just don't try to change me into something I'm not, If you think I'll go to hell so, be it, maybe I will, no one can know the truth, until you die. Religion is BELIEF.
All I'm saying is that if this "God" loves you and cares about you, and says that he loves everyone, then why does he send you to Hell, if you slip up once, and don't pray?
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@ Stefan...FRENCHFRY!!!!!!!
I have a challenge for you.
Read the "Holy Bible" from cover to cover, DO NOT SKIP Anything.
If you don't believe, okay, I will drop it.
I would rather know that someone doesn't believe after understanding it all, than rant incorrect information...
Dude, I Went through what you are experiencing, I misunderstood it as well at first.
Read it, and you may just understand What my faith is. The Bible isn't a series of happy stories, that much I know, but like any other book, it can be read.
Seriously, do it.
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Religion is crazy im so happy im atheist :D
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@ Stefan...FRENCHFRY!!!!!!!
I have a challenge for you.
Read the "Holy Bible" from cover to cover, DO NOT SKIP Anything.
If you don't believe, okay, I will drop it.
I would rather know that someone doesn't believe after understanding it all, than rant incorrect information...
Dude, I Went through what you are experiencing, I misunderstood it as well at first.
Read it, and you may just understand What my faith is. The Bible isn't a series of happy stories, that much I know, but like any other book, it can be read.
Seriously, do it.
Derp. I did. The reason you think I didn't is either:
A) You didn't read it cover to cover
B) You didn't PAY ATTENTION cover to cover
or C) You didn't read my posts correctly.
Also, there isn't one bible anymore. There are many, many different versions with different stories, and even different morals. All of them are called the Bible, and all of them are Christian.
My father's side of the family despises us because my dad left Jehovah-land as soon as he had the money to move out. Because of religion, I missed out on half my family, so I took it upon myself to learn a bit more about it. But if you want a few of the stories that made me realize how WRONG the bible is, here:
Sodom and Gomorrah: Lot's wife looked back on her burning home while they left, so she was turned into a mound of sand/salt/dirt. The words that god's angel used to warn her not to look back or she'll turn into salt? "Look not behind you." God is such a forgiving man.
Elisha: There was a bald guy chosen by god, and teenagers of the village would always make fun of him by saying "Go up, you baldhead!" So, Elisha asked god to make them stop. God had them all mauled and eaten by female bears. Wat?
Adam and Eve: Yeah, we went there. The story of Adam and Eve is that they were created perfect, but at the slightest temptation of a devil-possessed serpent, Eve busted the only rule given to them by god. Very little temptation, mind you. These are the first perfect beings. Then Jesus came along a few thousand years later. He was also perfect, so he should have identical morals to Adam and Eve. Yet, he was subjected to infinite more temptation and torture, and still held true. Clearly, Jesus was better than Adam and Eve. But, then... HOW could Adam and Eve have been perfect? Should not a perfect being have no better?
As per the GOOD of the bible... Don't steal, don't rape, and so on... How profound. I learned those morals by NOT being a psycho. I don't need a freaking BOOK to tell me that I have to do these things or else some dude in the sky is gonna get angry at me.
But really, Leo, what were you expecting? Did you think that, by having me re-read the bible, I would go through some magnificent transformation and turn into Mr. Christian man? The Bible was written by a bunch of dudes that wanted to be large and in charge thousands of years ago.
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To start off, our entire purpose in life is one thing and one thing only: to glorify God.
This sentence just about sums up life. Forget enjoyment, technological advancements, and LIFE. Just praise God. You know, the guy that was so nice that he gave us cancer, AIDS, rape, natural disasters, and - perhaps worst of all - a level of sentience that allows these things to bother us.
By Christianity's beliefs, God isn't very nice. Sure, he gave us all the good stuff, too, but it kinda got balanced out by what I mentioned above. I don't owe any favors to that guy, and I'm definitely not going to preach to others about how great he is, when, really, it seems like he was bored one day and wanted to watch something weaker than him squirm.
You took it the way i thought u would and entirely missed my point, and i can see that my attempts to get you to understand are in vain. I hope that someday when you grow up you will understand what im really saying by the teachings of another.
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And, of course, you respond with the standard 'emo' argument for why they're emo. "You don't understand."
Viper, HOW MANY WAYS COULD THAT SENTENCE BE TAKEN? Seriously. By "glorify god", did you mean, "help the poor"? If so, you've got a strange way of talking.
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Ok, this has gone long enough off topic.
*Topic closed*