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Pokémon Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: zorocario on October 13, 2011, 10:40:27 PM
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okay guys this is were you can tell us why your favorite pokemon got cheated
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Luxray with its paltry 70 base speed. nuff said.
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Shuckle didn't get follow me. I think that's the move that draws attacks to it. Though power split is quite nice.
Rhyperior didn't get sand power, even though it gets stab on two out of three attack types SP raises.
Alakazam has been said to not have changed enough in an ever changing series, which has hurt it as one of the best sweepers out there.
Rock has probably been one of the most cheated types in general because they can't perform one of their main functions. They have high defense, but are weak against ground and fighting, which hit the highest number of types super effectively. Not to mention that it's tied with grass for the highest number of weaknesses. Though it is one of the best attack types out there as well.
I'm sure there are pokemon that people can think of that have nice stats and abilities, but not the movepools to back them up, or vice versa.
Solrock and Lunatone are immune to ground attacks, resistant to fire attacks, get stab super effective attacks on ice types, and are neutral against fighting while being able to pound them super effectively. They seem to be just the types to take down the most common attack types out there, but have poor stats so they're almost never used.
Camerupt got cheated. Low speed and defensive stats is never a good combination, and his signature move eruption's attack power depends on his health being high. Also his attack stats aren't fantastic either.
Sharpedo needed more speed to make up for it's poor health and almost nonexistant defenses. Then they gave it rough skin, which isn't very useful when he's only going to be one hit away from death.
I feel like Samurott got cheated out of a part fighting typing.
Luxray is kind of slow, but its other stats aren't piss poor. His physical attack is a good 120. then again, speed is supposed to be the main stat for electric types. It's not a slow bulky element.
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-Scizor didn't get anything in gen 5 while many other pokemon obtained new and useful moves and abilities.
-Gardivoir got cheated because it didn't get Quiver Dance (its a pokemon known for gracefully dancing).
-Swoobat got cheated big time. It has the amazing unaware ability that would allow it to counter boosting Volcarona and Moxie Herracross but its stats are all horrible, excpet for its speed.
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I never paid much attention to Swoobat. I think I captured one once, but wasn't too impressed with its stats. Poor Gardevoir does kind of get overshadowed, doesn't she?
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Pokes who got cheated imo...
Jinx: Magmar, Electabuzz and Rhydon got evolutions on gen 4 it's now gen 5 and she is still missing hers.
Paras: he's not the only mushroom pokemon anymore.
Dunsparce: since gen 2 he's a less than average poke with crappy stats, he's screaming for an evolution.
Flareon: 130 base attack and no flare blitz? way to cripple a poke gamefreak!
Clefable...gamefreak: Hey! let's give this amazing ability (Magic Guard) to a bunch of other pokes, clefable it's not being used anyways!. Me: >.<'
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Pretty much any pokemon that hasn't gotten and evolution or devolution since generation 1 or 2. Not that every fan minds that.
I never noticed Flareon never got flare blitz. I totally agree he got cheated there.
It's kind of a waste to have a sweet ability only on a meh pokemon.
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Dunsparce, I mean... What is that thing?
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It's kind of a waste to have a sweet ability only on a meh pokemon.
You will regret that >.>
Dunsparce, I mean... What is that thing?
(http://www.toy-tma.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dunsparce.jpg)
Dunsparce: the land snake pokemon...
Sharpedo needed more speed to make up for it's poor health and almost nonexistant defenses. Then they gave it rough skin, which isn't very useful when he's only going to be one hit away from death.
He got speed boost this gen, plus he has aqua jet, what else do you want?
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I regret nothing! *raises flame shield*
I'd like Sharpedo to have higher base speed. Granted the new ability rocks, and aqua jet is good. They did make an effort to improve it.
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Shedinja all the way! Why not concentrate its stats to increase speed and attack/sp. attack. What does the only pokemon with wonder guard and 1hp need defenses for. Oh, and shedinja is vulnerable to 5 types. -_- Horrible type combination there.
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When you have an ability that makes you immune to any attack that's not super effective, a horrible type combination is needed for balance. I agree that it's a waste to put anything in defense, though. This isn't one of those games where a high enough defense makes lesser attacks do no damage.
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Charizard and Stealth Rocks...I believe i don't need to explain...
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I regret nothing! *raises flame shield*
I'd like Sharpedo to have higher base speed. Granted the new ability rocks, and aqua jet is good. They did make an effort to improve it.
Overkill much? xD
I don't think Sharpedo needs anymore speed. I already have a hard time dealing with it D:
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Just any pokemon that's doubly weak to rocks after stealth rocks was introduced.
Actually I'd rather it get the higher base speed than speed boost, though I do appreciate a water type getting that ability. I guess speed boost makes up for it, but you need to have focus sash and prtect to get any speed boosts off.
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Noah,I have a hard time dealing with Herracross.Herracross + Choice Band +Moxie + Stone Edge or Close Combat= One screwed Ice Warrior.
P.S. Blaziken + Speed Boost + Swords Dance + Blaze Kick = Lost sanity.If found please return it to the Ice Warrior.Thanks.
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Noah,I have a hard time dealing with Herracross.Herracross + Choice Band +Moxie + Stone Edge or Close Combat= One screwed Ice Warrior.
P.S. Blaziken + Speed Boost + Blaze Kick = Lost sanity.If found please return it to the Ice Warrior.Thanks.
I know how you feel Ms.Ice :(
Scarfed Moxie Herracross gives me a great deal of trouble. I usually just take it out with Jirachi though.
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Just any pokemon that's doubly weak to rocks after stealth rocks was introduced.
Actually I'd rather it get the higher base speed than speed boost, though I do appreciate a water type getting that ability. I guess speed boost makes up for it, but you need to have focus sash and prtect to get any speed boosts off.
You could use protect. I think he can learn it from a TM. That would let you get one boost in for free.
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Just any pokemon that's doubly weak to rocks after stealth rocks was introduced.
Actually I'd rather it get the higher base speed than speed boost, though I do appreciate a water type getting that ability. I guess speed boost makes up for it, but you need to have focus sash and prtect to get any speed boosts off.
You could use protect. I think he can learn it from a TM. That would let you get one boost in for free.
This. I thought the most common set for a sharpedo was waterfall, aqua jet, crunch and protect
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That is the most common set. Although some switch Aqua Jet for Earthquake.
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I did mention protect in my post. It just seems odd to have a sweeper like that use protect.
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I'd put Ice Fang on it to protect it from grass types.
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I did mention protect in my post. It just seems odd to have a sweeper like that use protect.
Sorry, I missed that. But, protect is very useful for pokemon with speed boost. Though personally as an ability it's extremely over-powered. (I know I run a speed boost blaziken but, as far as a mono-fire teams goes it's kind of needed on PO)
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Thank God, SB Blaziken is not allowed in monotype anymore but it is kind of a letdown for the Blaze version.
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Noah,I have a hard time dealing with Herracross.Herracross + Choice Band +Moxie + Stone Edge or Close Combat= One screwed Ice Warrior.
P.S. Blaziken + Speed Boost + Swords Dance + Blaze Kick = Lost sanity.If found please return it to the Ice Warrior.Thanks.
Just use a Froslass with Destiny Bond + Focus Sash (the rest of the set being Shadow Ball, Ice Beam and Spikes). This pokémon is the ideal hazard lead in my opinion, it's so hard to get past it without your pokémon dying to it. This pokémon can make those Blaziken and Heracross cry when they are taken down in her fall ;)
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It's a nice lead, but i kind of like her as a status inducer rather than a lead/sacrificial lamb (more so in a mono ice team). She's the only ice poke that can switch in a fighting move, and with her speed she can easily paralyze or confuse her target first.
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I won't argue that speed boost is kind of overpowered. Ninjask is a well known speed booster, and it's quite hard to keep him from passing speed boost to some slow but powerful pokemon unless you have a multihit move to punch through substitute. Or feint to punch through protect.
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Every single pokemon got cheated, you name it, it got cheated. Most of these new abilities are pointless for the older gens, since some of them don't make sense, like the unnerve ability, which I feel is a filler ability. I have yet to find an opponent that loves berries for that ability. I don't care how you analyze it, I don't care what set you have that makes it usable, the point is, they all were cheated, hands down. This thread isn't about battle strategy, it's about what got cheated and why.
Houndoom for one with Unnerve (yeah, I'm going there). It limits his move pool for an ability I wouldn't wipe my *** with if it was printed on toilet paper.
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Unnerve isn't the worst ability out there. Berries can do a lot of things like heal status, reduce damage, and boost stats. They've expanded on berries quite a bit, so they made an ability to keep the opponent from using them. Sure it's not as cool as speed boost, mold breaker, or the abilities that give immunities, but it's not awful.
I know the rindo berry has saved my Swampert's butt a number of times from a surprise grass attack, and then there's the sub petaya Empoleon set.
Yes it's situational, but it's not worthless.
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unnerve is one of the few things that destroys my exeggutor wall with harvest and chesto berry
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I wish that there was an ability that boosts bite related moves.If you want to what I would call it I'd call it Sharp Fang.
Boost bite related moves by 25%.
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A good bunch of Pokemon are cheated by having low stats, this cheats them out of ever being used and ever getting any glory on a tourney team. Which is why I am happy about PU and its balancing teams!!! Thank you all!!!
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Beedrill, Butterfree and all the other bug Pokemon that have low stats just cause they evolve fast.
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i got to agree with roloc with roloc statement i think beedrill and other bug created in the first generation need upgrade becuase pokemon now coming out for the 5 generation and 6th will be more sweeter then the 1st to 5 generation pokemon
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Venemoth is an acception.
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how, venomoth is just as pathetic as all other first gen bugs. Te best bug in the first generation was scyther,second best after all changes buterfree. Venmoth has always sucked, shes never been better than pincer or parasect (which ppl never use because of all the weakness)
honestly i dont think any pokemon got cheated the cold truth is a lot of pokemon arent here for battling some are there for contest some for that pokethon thingy others just to take up space u keep seeing the same pokemon over and over because u are doing nothing but battling. some pokemon were made for story purposes or so that certain items could exist... mew has protected so much stuff but is not the best psychic legendary choice for battle... all i'm saying is all pokemon werent made for battling purposes if u watch the episodes movies and read the manga... no pokemon got cheated except second stage pokemon who can pretty much all be beat by their first forms now that eviolet exist.
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Yeah, but the games are all about battling. I mean that's how the story advances. It's not like you go around collecting contest ribbons. A pokemon not suited well for battle is a pokemon that got cheated, end of story.
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I'm on the fence about that. Surely contests would do better if there were pokemon well suited for them. Cute pokemon with lots of good cute moves, tough looking pokemon with lots of tough moves, and so on.
Last time I paid attention to contests, I think one of the easiest pokemon to win a cute contest with was barboach. He's far from the cutest pokemon around. Not even the cutest water or ground type.
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Honestly, I did one contest. Then never wanted to do one again. It was a dumb addition to a game that frankly didn't need it. And don't get me started on the musicals...
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I think they did make it a bit complicated, but I don't see it as a bad thing. It's not hurting anything.
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Well, if contests included battling too.... I think it would be more interesting :P
Also eviolite only increase the defenses. Meaning that walls are the ones to benefit it the most. A Sneasel holding an eviolite is not that better as compared to its Weavile counterpart, with greater speed and atk stats.
And I think that the way contests were introduced in RSE isn't really that good, though the pokemon contests in DPPt, I believe were less good than the original ones. More could be involved to ensure that there is a fairer way to judge the winner of a contest. I mean, like most Water and Grass-types attack increase the beauty appeal of a pokemon. Fighting goes into Coolness and Toughness mainly, Ground into Toughness, Normal into Cute and so on. But come on, one move, I think can score in more than one field, depending on the way it is used. Hence, the why I think a better contest system could be made, though it doesn't really sound realistic at that point.
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DeaDea, Evolite increased any NFE pokemon's defs. even if it is a second evo. Take Pory2 and Dusclops for example. They now outclass their evolutions with Evolite.
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the description i read said only unevolved pokemon if thats not the case y dont more ppl use chansey...
and im sry but i still say no pokemon got cheated u are just all telling me that ur not contest players ppl that are would dissagree with u ppl an i happen to love the contest in the emerald game.. its a way to give glory to those who dont battle and i think the worse thing the creators ever did to contest was put battles in them in the episodes