Pokemon Universe MMORPG
Pokémon Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: SirRed on August 07, 2011, 10:30:34 PM
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If you don't want to read all of this just read the last lines at the bottom starting at "to wrap this all up".
Hi, I noticed that everyone is starting their own guild or are waiting to join a guild, but I wanted to extend a hand of friendship and ask those players who are going to be serious and dedicated in the game to join the Pokemon Knights. This isn't about who has the power, this is about helping each other move forward and putting great minds together to achieve common goals. Unless you think you are truly better than every other player on here and know more than everyone else why not just merge our resources before the game and create an amazing guild. We all are dedicated and have joined the game before it has even started, so why not get us all into one place. I take pride in my leadership skills and have put a lot of time into playing the pokemon games, but that doesn't mean I know every last thing there is to know about different move sets, how to most effectively battle, and so on. It's always good to have a plethora of people to put their ideas in and I think its a waste to spread so many great people out just because they want to be the leader of some guild.
The Pokemon Knights are currently working on a squad system that will really set us apart from other guilds by really using the team system to move players forward. If you think you have what it takes you should post your ideas in the Pokemon Knights forum and start a squad of your own within the guild. It's better to get as many dedicated smart players in one place as possible as opposed to spreading talent out across the board in many guilds. Even those of you who have already started a guild should consider merging your guild with the Pokemon Knights.
To wrap this all up, we all joined before the game started, and we all are going to be some of the best players in the game. Why not have us all in one place as opposed to spread out?
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To sum it up: We should all be in the same guild, that way, it would be an Elite Guild.
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Exactly.
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So.... why should we have guilds then? Since everyone is going to be in the same one.
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New guilds will immediatly be created once the game starts by people who weren't paying attention to the forums, but that should be their loss not ours. We are all dedicated to the game before it even starts. Why make it harder on ourselves when we can all reward ourselves by taking advantage of an opportunity that is only given to those who were in these forums before the game started. For us individuals who are here now, why not work together? Obviously there are those of you who have helped create the game and you are already going to have a huge advantage, but why not share some of your knowledge with the dedicated people who are following your progress, and care enough to keep interest in this game?
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We could always have the guilds we're currently in, and just form alliances with other guilds. So say for example the elemental elites formed an alliance with the pokemon knights, they could become The Elemental Knighs or the Pokemon Elites.
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Thats true, but either way I think we should all work together since we all care enough to be here in the forums before the game is out. I'm assuming we all believe that more people are going to join than just the people who are in the forum right now so for all of us who care here lets help each other out. Especially those who are creating this game, it would make sense for you to help us players who are in these forums and are putting our faith and support in you. No need to get a god complex since the game is most likely going to be huge, so help out all of us who are here now and care enough about the game to comment about it and share ideas.
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I agree that we should work together, but for a guild like that, you couldn't have one leader, you would need a council or something similar.
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An interesting idea, but I am opposed to it. I see your point though, as you are only trying to create something amazing. The problems I have with it though are as follows:
- I like to be in a Guild that has the least possible restrictions, and endless possibilities. I find the idea of having an organized, military based Guild fun, but I wouldn't want to be part of it. I like to do things at my own pace, meaning do what I want, when I want, and that's what I'm offering to everyone in Fruit's Punch. As long as they follow the 3 rules I have set - which I believe is not really placing a huge toll on the members - they can do what they want. Same with the other Guilds, I have no problem with them, but I created a different Guild anyways.
- If all the dedicated players will gather in one place, where will be the rivalry? There can be rivalry in a Guild, but with a Guild that massive, tensions are bound to rise higher, and possibly would lead to inner conflict, which would pull apart the Guild. Also it is more fun if there are more Guilds that are worth something, than if there is a Hegemony.
- Like Mr_Dark said, there would be little to no point in having Guilds. It would be like a Mountain compared to smaller Hills. I don't know about you, but I don't like winning all the time. It's more fun to overcome a failure than simply walking on success all the time. There would be of course some newly formed Guilds that are created for not paying attention to the forums, wanting to have a Guild with real life friends, or just for the challenge of building one from scratch, but disregarding that, most people would join the already existing Number One Power in the game.
- And to end it with something irrelevant: I like the name Fruit's Punch better. :D
If the others are in it, I wish you luck. :)
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I see your point, but perhaps even if we have seperate guilds, we could all work together and have alliances during the beginning of the game so that we can have worthwhile rivalries. In other words everyone is going to start out the same, but some people are working on building and testing the game and have way more knowledge than other people. I have a feeling that the game creators are going to create their own exclusive guild, but perhaps they would be willing to help us out simply because of our early interest in the game.
I'm hoping that we can all work together early on so that people don't feel left out even though they have been looking forward to this game for a long time. If the game creators have their own exclusive guild it would take some of the fun of creating our own guilds because everyone will just want to join their guilds. What it comes down to is that I'm hoping that we will all help each other out early on so that we have worthwhile rivalries later. And I think we should reward ourselves for taking the time to talk to each other and learn about the game ahead of time.
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SirRed, ambitious as always. it is a good concept, but the flaws are to big to ignore. Let's get ourselves organized first before starting alliances, and let the developers perfect the game. Who knows, some things could be changed during the pre-beta test
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SirRed, I have no objections with cooperating with one another, I just stated why I wouldn't merge Fruit's Punch with the Pokemon Knights or any other Guild. A rivalry is not friendship, but it is still an important bond that should be maintained. I believe we both agree there.
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What we can all agree on is that we all want to work toward strong rivalries. Lets do everything we can now to get to know each other so that we can keep in contact during the game and help each other for a strong start.
SirRed
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How about a "Veteran's Area" for users that the staff feel have been very influential and/or A big part, in regards to Development
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That sounds like a good idea. You should message Mr_Dark about that.
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This idea has too many flaws for it to work properly(I won't list all of them, just because most of them have been pointed out). Like Genbor said, most people would join the most powerful guild, and the people who made new guilds wouldn't get many members, so there wouldn't be much rivalry if we all just made one huge guild. The merged guild would probably fall apart anyway, because there would be too much conflict. You would either have one leader, and the guild would fall apart because people would argue too much, or you would have a council, which would end up arguing too, and the guild would split anyway. Or you would have a combination of the two, and the same thing would probably happen. There will probably be a system in the game where you can set each guild to Friendly/Neutral/Hostile, or something similar to that.
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Yea that is very true and we've talked about those flaws. That said if you would like to join the Pokemon Knights you are more than welcome.
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But if you want to join a guild thats going to be super powerful you should join th Elemental Elites!!!
On a different note I think it would be cool if guilds had competitions with each other like a huge battle contest.
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We can become strong too, but we'll do it with an emphasis on teamwork. And guild contests are a great idea. This way, we would be able to test eachother, and figure strenghts and weaknesses.
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Absolutely. The Pokemon Knights will be a fantastic guild, and the hard work that is already being put into it proves that. Not to mention as many people have posted, if everyone joined one guild it wouldn't be fun. I guess I was right in saying that the Elemental Elites are going to be our rivals, but it should be a great competition.
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Ya' know, I joined Fruit's Punch primarily for the reason that I see it as a low key guild, Also me being american I feel like I can help cater to the people in the guild who are also american but also on the European server.
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I'm American and I joined the Pokemon Knights. Our guild is based off of teamwork and always helping players meet their goals as opposed to getting a god complex simply because we are a higher level. I think people might have the wrong idea about our guild because we are structuring it with a class system. The only reason we are structuring it the way we are is so that the new members will know they have people that they can go to to ask questions, and so that there will always be some friendly competition. The Pokemon Knights will be a very formidable guild and anyone who has a competitive as well as helpful nature should apply for our guild.
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I'm American and I joined the Pokemon Knights. Our guild is based off of teamwork and always helping players meet their goals as opposed to getting a god complex simply because we are a higher level. I think people might have the wrong idea about our guild because we are structuring it with a class system. The only reason we are structuring it the way we are is so that the new members will know they have people that they can go to to ask questions, and so that there will always be some friendly competition. The Pokemon Knights will be a very formidable guild and anyone who has a competitive as well as helpful nature should apply for our guild.
Gonna be honest I'm not truly a competitive type when it comes to pokemon, I feel that if there is a lot of competition between guilds that is a good thing though, that's why I would prefer if the guilds that are established, unofficially I may add seeing as pu isn't out, stay as separate entities.
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Thank you SirRed. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Absolutely
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Absolutely. The Pokemon Knights will be a fantastic guild, and the hard work that is already being put into it proves that. Not to mention as many people have posted, if everyone joined one guild it wouldn't be fun. I guess I was right in saying that the Elemental Elites are going to be our rivals, but it should be a great competition.
First of all, don't think this insulting or personal, I'm only trying to help.
Why do you always say we are gonna be rivals? I woudn't bother having an alliance with the Pokémon Knights, but I'm a mono-fighting trainer and my priority lies in the mono-aspect (like my guild). Nevertheless, we also help each other out ( for example with their mono-teambuilding) and establish strong friendships too. There is also some kind of class system within our guild (The leader and the type-masters) so those things don't seperate your guild from others (although your system is interesting, I admit that).
I think the idea of joining forces is interesting, but probably impossible to pull off. Your counsil had to consist of all the leaders from each guild you merge, and they all had to agree with it. If you really want to give this a try, you should PM the guild-leaders first and here what they have to say about it. Further negotiating on this thread without that would be pointless otherwise.
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You and I agree completely, I originally thought it would be a good idea to merge guilds, but people brought it to my attention that it wouldn't be much fun to have one super guild that everyone would want to join. I am open to an alliance, or at least working together because this game is going to be new to everyone. The rivalry wasn't meant to be a bad thing, more like two guilds who would be able to compete to make each other stronger, while helping each other out. I only say that we would be rivals because we have so much in common that it would make sense to have a friendly competition. Hope that clears it up, post on our forum if the Elemental Elites would like to work with the Pokemon Knights.
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I'm completely open for some friendly competition ;)
The guild leader (chad29) makes that descision in conjunction with the members, but you should ask him personally (PM or on the EE-page). I don't make those calls.
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I like the idea of an alliance between the guild only if the guild in question share the same goals. I honestly don't want an alliance with a guild we will be competing with; it might affect the competition a bit. That being said, we should probably wait for more guild to come up before exploring the idea of an alliance. As it stands, there are 4-5 active guild running. Of those guild, almost all of them do not have more than 10 active members (EE being the exception). What I suggest is that the other guild take the time to build their own foundation before worrying about joining the others.
On a side note, competatively built guild shouldn't want to form an alliance with other competative guild as there tends to be an anti-aggression pact that goes with the alliance. Competative guilds generally work better in an alliance with smaller buisness based guilds (trading, training/day-care, marketing) as they have more of a means to work together as it is beneficial to both parties. The smaller fun guilds should form an alliance with other smaller guilds with no primary competative purpose as they have nothing to lose from the lack of competition between the two; thus again being beneficial to both parties. The guild that have already been formed to base their decision to make an alliance off of this logic.
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I like your pairings Noah_Road. They are sensible and would provide a more realistic feel to the Guild system, as people would form the alliances mainly for the benefits. But it really doesn't matter for me whom we ally ourselves, since we will be a sort of Jack-of-all-trades Guild.
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Anyone else think three should be a guild leader thread where we can discuss these competitions in the future, or challenge other guilds when the game is released. just a thought, may make it easier to get the competitions rolling.
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I agree with this idea completely.
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We can become strong too, but we'll do it with an emphasis on teamwork. And guild contests are a great idea. This way, we would be able to test eachother, and figure strenghts and weaknesses.
I agree completely. Guild contests are a great idea its a way to test the strengths and weaknesses of our guilds to further improve upon ourselves.
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Anyone else think three should be a guild leader thread where we can discuss these competitions in the future, or challenge other guilds when the game is released. just a thought, may make it easier to get the competitions rolling.
But... i am not a guild leader... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! *runs away crying*
i like the idea.
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Hey if you're looking to make a super guild you're all welcome to join the Pure Remnants. I'm just sayin...
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Join another guild. No, I like mine. Thanks for the offer though.
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Anyone else think three should be a guild leader thread where we can discuss these competitions in the future, or challenge other guilds when the game is released. just a thought, may make it easier to get the competitions rolling.
A board where leaders can post challenges for other guilds would fit that one. No need to make that a huge thing, simple and when the leader/guild representative accepts/rejects the challenge at agreed time, that should be it :)
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So........ only guild leaders can post on it! And that was my idea too:( jk
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So........ only guild leaders can post on it! And that was my idea too:( jk
Well, yeah, that would be the point of it. But only for professional use, which includes but is not limited to, posting a guild challenge, making alliance calls/negotiations, and giving tips for people who want to start a guild. Strictly business.
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Sho nuff
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i hope to be one of the EE leaders one day and i hope pokemon knights and EE the best two guilds
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Thanks for supporting us, and I'm fairly sure your guilds is already quite strong.
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Elemental Elites are actually quite strong. We have a pretty big active member base as well as very skilled trainers (:
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lol im the weakest link but i rarely lose EE rocks!
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At least you're a good guy then.
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I think there is only one "evil" guild and I'm not sure what became of them or how they're gonna actually be evil.
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How about a "Veteran's Area" for users that the staff feel have been very influential and/or A big part, in regards to Development
We have that, it's called the "Pre-Beta Tester" forum.