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Official Forums => News & Announcements => Topic started by: Mr_Dark on January 18, 2012, 11:46:49 AM
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Trainers,
We’re not usually inclined to comment on politics. We’re a group of fans who like Pokemon games, and making/playing games is just a whole lot more fun.
Called the "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA) in the House of Representatives and the "PROTECT IP Act" (PIPA) in the Senate, these bills are a misguided attempt to curb the illegal piracy of copyrighted content (like movies, music and games). Preventing piracy of copyrighted content is a laudable goal.
However, SOPA/PIPA goes far beyond simply addressing piracy. This proposed legislation actually threatens any website that features user-generated content. In effect, any copyright holder could file a claim that a website is hosting unauthorized content (such as the pokeballs in our logo, the "Pokemon" name anywhere on our website or maybe even the image you have as your avatar). Under the law, ad networks, payment providers and internet service providers are now potentially liable for their user’s infringement. These services could then be compelled to immediately remove these items from the website or face a costly legal battle – at a minimum cutting off financial means, and likely shutting off the site and project entirely.
How would SOPA/PIPA impact Pokemon Universe?
Since the Pokemon Universe project has always been in the dark zone looking at the usage of copyrighted content, there was always the possibility of us getting shutdown by Nintendo/GameFreak. We tried to minimize this chance as much as possible by creating original content instead of using ripped content from the original Pokemon games.
Due to SOPA/PIPA all our effort will to go waste because in the end we're still using the "Pokemon" name and individual Pokemon names, so there's a high possibility we will get cease and desist and have to stop the project.
You live in Europe, why do you care about some piracy act in the USA!
It's true that the SOPA/PIPA doesn't affect us right away. But in time our goverments will follow the example set in the USA and we will get our own SOPA/PIPA.
Furthermore, about 50% of our userbase is from the USA, so it's likly we want to host game servers in America. But with the SOPA/PIPA this will not be possible.
What can I do to prevent this?
Congress will reconvene at the end of January, and with a long roster of supporters on both sides of the aisle, SOPA/PIPA could actually pass. The likelihood is so great that technology giants including Google, Amazon, Facebook and Twitter have gone so far as to publicly consider a simultaneous blackout in protest.
The Pokemon Universe project is opposed to SOPA/PIPA in their present form. While we do support efforts to prevent online piracy, the current form of this legislation comes at far too high a cost for us, our players, and online communities across the internet.
Help us take a stand. Write your congressperson today and voice your opposition to this misguided and harmful legislation:
http://americancensorship.org/
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Lest hope that it doesn't pass, or if it does that its modified to a better undrestanding, but i mainly hope that PU will be safe.
P.S I heard about the internet blackout but i thought it was fake, how strange.
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Angry Joe from That Guy with the Glasses made a video saying they're making progress with the bill, getting politicians to remove the worst things and edit it to make it better. So it's a good sign.
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Yea, this is just complete nonsense. I'll be contacting someone today on this note.
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I've actually met my congressman, and the man is an idiot. He literally said to me that he trusts in whatever decisions the President makes, regardless if that means doing something unconstitutional. Wish me luck on convincing this guy...
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Sucks to not possibly being able to play PU before it even comes out. But I went to the link and filled out one of the forms.
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I've actually met my congressman, and the man is an idiot. He literally said to me that he trusts in whatever decisions the President makes, regardless if that means doing something unconstitutional. Wish me luck on convincing this guy...
Well someone mentioned that President Obama believes this is a stupid bill. So hopefully Tristan, you'll have an easy discussion. Unless your congressman is just lazy, then your out of luck. Lol.
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I'd rather see the work we've done so far not to be a waste. I really have fun doing my job here as well as most contents I publish will be removed due copyright claims. (Sprites I made and still making to improve my pixelart skills, more than a 100 videos about let's plays i've been doing) This plan USA has might end up removing a lot of content from internet, and with alot, I mean heck alot. I hope they won't accept this plan.
I do admit that I hate it when people go around and pretend that stuff I created as their own is annoying. But I find it already ridiculous that when I credit openly with capital letters DISCLAIMER when something in my videos, for example audio, is't mine and people still block it out since they find it to be copyright infrigment.
Does America really think they can ban out more than half of the internet?
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Does America really think they can ban out more than half of the internet?
Coming from an American, I can honestly say yes our Government is stupid enough to believe that they can do anything they want and the a LOT of citizens are to lazy to do anything about it.
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The American Government is going to far. SOPA/PIPA cannot be passed.
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p-TV4jaCMk)
And
This (http://lifeaftersopa.cheezburger.com/)
If you live in the U.S. call/email your state Senators and tell them not to support it.
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This bill better not get passed.. and if it does, were screwed.
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One good thing about Americans though is that people will protest about almost anything. Sadly it doesn't end in riots :(
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I found a video that pretty much sums up my thoughts on SOPA and PIPA. It pretty much explains what they are, and what you can do.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM&feature=g-user-lik&context=G23d68ecUCGXQYbcTJ33Yzttn0PRsQw-WPEIE-XSkNats7FYZn6hw
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It's truthfully dumb bill some "exotic" dumbers thought of. Regardless of being "American," ones who think of this just thinks too much to the extreme. =/
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i am not american but i say that these laws are worth the same as the crap i send down the toilet every day, less than nothing
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Well lets be real here, in some shape or form, SOPA will be passed. Online piracy is illegal, and they're going to do something about it. We just need to hope its not this particular bill. Its not a work against stopping the act, its against changing it to be more reasonable.
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Sometimes my country saddens me. I mean these bills are so wrong and so unconstitutional, that they just might pass.
If they do pass, I say we should vote to change the year from 2012 to 1984. Cause it seems that Mr. Orwell from the grave is adding fresh ink to the page.
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They have taken down newgrounds. This has gone to far.
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If they do pass, I say we should vote to change the year from 2012 to 1984. Cause it seems that Mr. Orwell from the grave is adding fresh ink to the page.
Ahhhh! I see what you did there! But yes, I agree, did you watch any of it last month when Congress was deciding whether to pass it or not?
This would sum it up:
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I don't get the reference Bing, but I agree. And yes, internet piracy is a glaring issue, but they're going about it the wrong way, entirely. Try watching the video I posted earlier, it'll clarify things a little more.
They have taken down newgrounds. This has gone to far.
No, Newgrounds is probably just going dark, meaning they're shutting down for about a day to protest this bill. But if it passes, Newgrounds may be the first to go, next to the biggest video-sharing site on the web, Youtube.
So as has been said before, Do something, anything to try to stop this bill. Even if you don't live in America, just spread the news! Just telling people will drive them to take actions to stop this bill.
And if you DO live in america, write to your congressmen, call them, talk to them in person, even just sign a petition! Just do SOMETHING.
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They can't shut down youtube can they? wouldn't they just continue to take off videos that are illegal?
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@Darkstar, The reference was to a book called 1984 written by George Orwell. The book is a love story between a man and a woman under an extremely oppressive government. It was meant to shock people into understanding that to much government control is a scary thing.
I'd link a wiki page about it but, it's blacked out. So here is a cat playing the role of the US government.
(http://www.esarcasm.com/wp-content/censorship-kitty.jpg)
EDIT: Yes Shermana they can and they will. These bills will give them the right to shut down any site they view as "infringing". Which could be anything. Hell even facebook isn't safe. It's very scary, and if passed it is a major step back for free speech.
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Well, there are millions of videos on YouTube, with an estimated 48 hours of content added every hour. It'd probably be easier to just shut it down entirely.
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yeah they would also shut down craigslist as well. Six US lawmakers have already said that they will not support this.
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Oh god.... The government is getting stupider by the second. If this goes through, the entire internet will collapse. Fan pics, fan vids, parodies, games, music, and anything else will be obliterated. This will lead to riots everywhere. I just hope the government isnt stupid enough to actualy approve the bill, otherwise the internet's chansey.
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Basically, the way they'll see Youtube is this:
"Well, Youtube. A couple of your videos infringe copyright laws, so instead of forcing you to remove the videos themselves, we'll just shut down you're whole website!"
That is literally what will happen if this bill is passed.
Now, from what I've heard, SOPA has recently been shelved indefinitely. That means that SOPA is gone, but not dead. And not just because of PIPA, but also because just because it's shelved doesn't mean the concept is gone. What it most likely means is that they'll probably try to sneak it into other bills, in smaller chunks. So what this means is there CAN and WILL be more bills like SOPA and PIPA.
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Why is PU worried? I thought we had permission from Nintnedo..? Or am i wrong. I'm just confused and am trying to understand this.
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Well of course it will be, like I said, it's going to happen, its just a matter of how it happens and in what context. By the way, YouTube has a lot more than just a couple of videos that infringe copyright law. They already "attempt" to filter out the ones they can catch with their system, but its still not nearly enough to do anything. I mean, in terms of what SOPA is calling for, a little girl singing Lady Gaga songs would be breaking the law.
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I mean, in terms of what SOPA is calling for, a little girl singing Lady Gaga songs would be breaking the law.
and u think this is right? think of the people that work because of Youtube, they will be put out of a job because of this bill, u think its right for the goverment to block the internet that might lead to alot of unemployments?
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"The Obama Administration on Saturday took a stance on two pieces of anti-online piracy legislation moving through Congress — the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the House and the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) in the Senate —- saying it would not support the bills as currently written, handing the biggest victory yet to a growing chorus of critics of the bills."
I found that on the internet about the Obama Administration speaking out about the SOPA and PIPA. In the article is also states that the Obama Administration will not support something that reduces freedom of expression
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and u think this is right? think of the people that work because of Youtube, they will be put out of a job because of this bill, u think its right for the goverment to block the internet that might lead to alot of unemployments?
No. The entire context of my post was written against it. But thats what the original SOPA would do, essentially it could be twisted to let the big companies step on the little guys. But as shermana said above, things have changed. SOPA has been watered down a lot recently, but that doesn't mean its still not a threat.
Also, if you look on YouTube, two of the most watched videos for today are both stolen copyrighted material. One is even directly recorded off of someone's television... if you look at it from the perspective of someone's content that was stolen, I can see why they'd be mad. Even so, that bill was outrageously blunt.
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u know what i think? i think that they only passed this bill to takes our eyes off something else they are doing, so we dont find out about it
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I believe Obama, along with his other people, are doing all that they can to minimize SOPA and make it less of a threat. The Obama aministration is totally against PIPA and will not let it be passed the way it is. PIPA is basically designed to not allow us use foreign websites that i think are copyrighted. Don't forget that in order for these bills to be passed, Obama has to agree and sign them a law. I believe that Obama is thinking kind of what we are thinking.
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u know what i think? i think that they only passed this bill to takes our eyes off something else they are doing, so we dont find out about it
Ehhhh, I doubt that.
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I'm not sure if anyone has seen this yet or not.... but check this out. This is big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXyLrTRXso&feature=related
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u know what i think? i think that they only passed this bill to takes our eyes off something else they are doing, so we dont find out about it
Ehhhh, I doubt that.
u doubt it? you shouldnt, they do that all the time
I'm not sure if anyone has seen this yet or not.... but check this out. This is big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXyLrTRXso&feature=related
uhm... Lugia... this as nothing to do with the SOPA....
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yeah that's the scariest video i've seen in a while. That is basically saying that the Bill of Rights will be tarnished.
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and u think this is right? think of the people that work because of Youtube, they will be put out of a job because of this bill, u think its right for the goverment to block the internet that might lead to alot of unemployments?
No. The entire context of my post was written against it. But thats what the original SOPA would do, essentially it could be twisted to let the big companies step on the little guys. But as shermana said above, things have changed. SOPA has been watered down a lot recently, but that doesn't mean its still not a threat.
Also, if you look on YouTube, two of the most watched videos for today are both stolen copyrighted material. One is even directly recorded off of someone's television... if you look at it from the perspective of someone's content that was stolen, I can see why they'd be mad. Even so, that bill was outrageously blunt.
I believe I said that...
u know what i think? i think that they only passed this bill to takes our eyes off something else they are doing, so we dont find out about it
Ehhhh, I doubt that.
u doubt it? you shouldnt, they do that all the time
Yes, they do. But that's what PIPA is. PIPA is basically, just because I liked how it sounded, a watered-down version of SOPA, making it just as bad. What they figure is that americans are so stupid it'll go something like this:
"So, how do you feel about SOPA?"
"Hell no, that'll kill the internet!"
"Well, how about this bill?"
*Hands over PIPA*
"Huh. Not as bad. Sure."
They figure we're stupid enough to say something like this. PIPA is that second bill you're talking about, so don't even let your guard down for PIPA, because it's just as bad.
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I'm not sure if anyone has seen this yet or not.... but check this out. This is big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXyLrTRXso&feature=related
uhm... Lugia... this as nothing to do with the SOPA....
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Actualy Aqua, your wrong, in fact Sopa has quite a bit to do with it. The government is slowly taking away american rights. If SOPA goes through, then we will have no freedom at all on almost all websites. Anonymous also talk about the SOPA bill in a similar video, as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeEcoi8kEuU
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Lugia's right. It seems that the ones running the country want us to just sit down and shut up as they take away our rights one at a time.
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Even if SOPA/PIPA is passed, it probably won't last for very long. If it does get passed, there is no doubt that hundreds of thousands of people will gather and protest, likely more than the Occupy Movement.
"When the your government shuts down the internet, shut down your government."
But this leads me to LugiaFan96's video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXyLrTRXso&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXyLrTRXso&feature=related)
If the government is able to put people under military detainment without trial, then what will stop them from sending in the military to arrest the thousands of protesters who threaten to get in their way?
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Exactly. Nothing.
Just to change the subject briefly, I just went to youtube, and there are already 4 new videos on SOPA in my subscription box.
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I know it is scary to most people, but it is the simple truth: The government isn't as stupid as we think, they are taking our rights on purpose. Until I saw this video I thought they were simply being idiots and making mistakes, but that's only masking the actual situation. And this wont just affect America, but it will also effect other countries effected by the internet. Websites like facebook, twitter, IRC, youtube, newgrounds, and this website will be blocked from all americans, and from people from other countries. They are trying to take away our means of comunication, education, and entertainment. The internet. This is what I see the government is trying to tell us:
You have no rights, stay quiet, and do as we tell you.
Anonymous has helped me see this message, and if it happens, I will be willing to fight back against the government. The army is not enough to stop the country, and I bet quite a bit of the army itself will revolt. Afterall, if there are no citizens to protect: Who will they fight for?
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Now before Lugia goes on a revolt against the nation, listen up. The anonymous video is not the first of its kind, I've been seeing those for years. Its actually a shame that it took something real to be passed in order for some people to wake up. With that said, the bill mentioned is in violation of the Constitution, but was made so that to appease foreign policy. If someone from another country comes into the US and is suspected as a potential threat, the US has the right to arrest and hold them indefinitely without questions asked. In my opinion, the bill mentioned in the Anon video was just to include actual US citizens in that. Can you imagine why they'd want to do that? I can, but like many things, it can be twisted and misconstrued. It's not a good bill as far as context go, but I'm not totally convinced its some evil plot to abolish our freedom.
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Well whether it is or not, I think all we can do now is do what we can to stop anything bad from happening and hope for the best.
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Do you think Nintendo will give us permission to keep this site up and running? I mean we aren't stealing profit from them. If they don't like it so much can't they just take control and have it a profite game and give some of profit to them. The only thing we are taking from them is the pokemon from the games, the name pokemon, and a pokeball. we are changing most of the details of the game.
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Do you think Nintendo will give us permission to keep this site up and running? I mean we aren't stealing profit from them. If they don't like it so much can't they just take control and have it a profite game and give some of profit to them. The only thing we are taking from them is the pokemon from the games, the name pokemon, and a pokeball. we are changing most of the details of the game.
Most likely no. The best chance would be for nintendo to see a chance for profit from this but, then again that might just lead them to taking it over and making it cost money to play. Which would be no good. Unless they want to hire the team, which could be nice.
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Well either way, questions like that should really be in another thread, not this one.
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true to both comments. if they make it a profit i bet it will be in to 10-15 a month. but this topic should be in a different thread, if not, not even spoken about at this point in the making of PU
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You do know this is a non-profit fan made game and that Nintendo is in no way involved in the development of the game? It's posted everywhere... Also Mr_Dark has no plans of making profits from this as he has said many time before.
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I know.
I just stated what could happen. But most likely nintendo would want to shut down the site.
The purpose of PU isn't money. It's about making a good game that people want to play. The pokemon game of our dreams. Well kind of.
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yeah but from the recent SOPA and PIPA, PU could get shut down or turned over from nintendo if they want to take over instead of having it shut down. Nintendo could make it a profit, but I definitely know that the people who are developing it now will not and never will make it profitable.
Well i dont see why Nintendo wouldn't want to take it over. It would be a great opportunity, but a tragedy among us.
Double post merged.
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i know this is off ttopic but has anyone noticed minecraft is coming out on xbox360? its almost like notch saw it coming.
the end of the internet(or most of it)
anyway back on topic SOPA is basically like my example below
bob: ive invented pie :D
*years later*
gov.: NO MORE PIE FO JOO
*gives pie to china*
*few days later*
bobs great grandson: oh my god i knew i shouldve payed attention to the news more often
USA status: mass chaos
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What the chansey are you saying, eddie?
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what i am saying is that SOPA will basicallytake away (shut down) sites that are made in the US but let the rest of the world have sites made in those countries.
and if i am correct most sites are made in the USA so the internet will collaspe withiin a short amount of time
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US is an ass that tries to manipulate others, history has proven this to me at least. Not saying it is true, but to me it just seems the government will make loop holes to affect other countries and be in control.
I stopped playing Minecraft as soon as December came because of PU. (side note to eddiedelta8's comment)
I Honestly banned myself from the server where I was admin because few people came on add I got bored. I lived in a giant Pokeball made by sever owner after he gave it to me. next to it I built a Pokemon stadium and a almost finished Charizard Pixel art.
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Well this subject has gone waaay off topic, but let just say, the US isn't a bad country, its stupid people that make stupid decisions about stupid things. I'm thinking the blackout that went on today was way different than any other petition ever signed. I mean seriously, 5 Million+ people against a bill is incredible. Cheers to that.
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The U.S. isn't stupid, it's just the people who run the country. :P
Even being an american, that just sounds wrong.
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Don't double post.
If for some reason Nintendo wants to take over this one fan made game, then it should be considered a win for everyone since it could mean Nintendo might consider making the work good and might make it legal while they develop it more. If Mr_Dark gets his work legalized from Nintendo then Amazing Freaking Unbelievable Accomplishment it would be for him and I hope he would be happy with that and gets credit where credit is due.
I hope so if nintendo intends to take it over instead of letting it shut down, but of course they want to make full profit out of it. Which means we gotta pay for the game if this bill is accepted and if Nintendo wants to take over our project. Quite funny but I wonder where they want to bring it out. They prefer using their own consoles but if they do that it ain't an MMORPG anymore because their consoles so far didn't really include MMO. Best communications I've seen them doing so far is for Mario Kart and SSBB and those had a small maximum. They either need to come up with a strong console capable of carrying an entire server or keep it for the computer which could be loss since this game is pretty amazing compared to other pokémon games and nobody buys an console specifically for pokémon games.
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The U.S. isn't stupid, it's just the people who run the country.
the US isn't a bad country, its stupid people that make stupid decisions about stupid things.
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I dont know if anyone remembers, but back in 2010 pokenet was shut down because Nintendo found that it was copyrighted. Nintendo was able to make the decision of taking control of the website, but wanted it to be completely shut down. I was reading an article about Nintendo's views of MMORPG's and they absolutely do not like the idea of having a pokemon MMO game on the internet. They think its stupid and pointless. Plus i also read that their online service is horrible. Sorry for going off topic again.
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Digimon made an online mmo as soon as that came out I signed up for the pre-beta.
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And SOPA and isn't even passed yet...
One of the world’s largest file-sharing sites was shut down Thursday, and its founder and several company executives were charged with violating piracy laws, federal prosecutors said.
http://techland.time.com/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-megaupload-com-file-sharing-website/
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If this goes through they are going to eventually shut down facebook, twitter, hulu.com and craigslist
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And SOPA and isn't even passed yet...
One of the world’s largest file-sharing sites was shut down Thursday, and its founder and several company executives were charged with violating piracy laws, federal prosecutors said.
http://techland.time.com/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-megaupload-com-file-sharing-website/
...Technically, file-sharing is illegal ANYWAY, so yeah... I mean, Megaupload had some legitimate purposes, but I mostly saw illegal sharing from it... Pretty sure they're allowed to shut that down anyway.
HOWEVER, I don't agree with SOPA and PIPA and the fact that they have too much power and abuse potential. I don't want to see them come into actual law, EVER. Otherwise I'll have to be even more disappointed in my country. Thank goodness Obama's opposing it.
Oh HA HA, a quote I just found: The big news is that Congress has agreed to shelve the vote on SOPA until it can find more common ground. But the battle over how best to address online piracy has now spun out far and wide. The hacktivist group Anonymous, for example, has found a juicy new target: stodgy old media executives.
The group obtained and then published posts with personal information about Jeffrey L. Bewkes, chairman and chief executive of Time Warner, and Sumner M. Redstone, who oversees Viacom and CBS. Both of these men run companies that support SOPA. As The New York Times reports, after Anonymous exposed Mr. Bewkes personal email and home phone number, he received a wave of complaints from anti-SOPA advocates.
The people in power seem a little perplexed about the guerilla tactics. “Why can’t they just hire a lobbyist like everyone else?” a Congressional aide for the House Judiciary Committee asked the NY Times.
From: http://www.venturebeat.com/2012/01/16/sopa-opera-anonymous-targets-media-execs-moguls-take-aim-at-google/?obref=obinsite
*facepalm* Pity the unfortunate souls. They can't buy off a congressperson like everyone else, sadface.jpg. Seriously?? Even if it was a thoughtless comment, it was way TOO thoughtless.
BTW, an interesting article that goes into what the bills could do, probably a more realistic view:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/19/sopa-pipa-facts/?obref=obinsite
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I found a video that pretty much sums up my thoughts on SOPA and PIPA. It pretty much explains what they are, and what you can do.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM&feature=g-user-lik&context=G23d68ecUCGXQYbcTJ33Yzttn0PRsQw-WPEIE-XSkNats7FYZn6hw
I'll leave this here because this video is self explanatory enough for anyone who's not quite sure about what SOPA is.
And would you guys please stop talking about PU? We all love PU and don't want it to be taken down, at any cost. But this bill has far larger proportions, we're talking about YouTube, facebook, and everything you like, disappearing from the internet. It's because of Hollywood, MPAA and RIAA and all those big ass money eating corporations who still don't understand why people pirate media. They just want to make money, and they of all people should know, and yet they don't, that this will only be worse for them.
Passing this bill can not be a possibility under any circumstance. Obama's in a pretty messed up situation because of the pressure he's getting from Hollywood executives for instance, since they heavily supported his campaign, and now he expressed how he's opposed to this bill. Let's see what's going to happen.
And to all you guys and gals in the US, DO whatever you are enabled to do to help stop this insanity.
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Agreed, we need to stop the insanity. The bill makes no sense. It clearly tramples all over our(americans like myself) right to free speech. The effect this bill will have could reach across the world... And it's all cause some rich bastard want's a 16th yacht.
I have already written my congressmen and you should do the same.
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There some Anonymous person hacking into some of the government websites and shutting them down. So far this person has already shut down five sites i think in retaliation of Megaupload.com being shut down.
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MegaUpload, while I liked and used it's services, was on grounds for termination. I'm not sure if them being shut down on this day in particular has anything to do with yesterday's protests, but it does feel like a slap in the face. However, I do think it may have just been untimely. It is a shame but hey, what's illegal is illegal and the best we can do is try to stop SOPA from twisting the rights we have to what is legal.
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SOPA has been killed. I just heard that Obama is not going to accept it. At least that's what i just heard.
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SOPA has been killed. I just heard that Obama is not going to accept it. At least that's what i just heard.
Not killed. Shelved. It still exists, PIPA will go up for vote on the 24th, so I read, and SOPA can come back up for vote any time in the future they like.
Obama is OPENLY not supporting it (a big thing for ANY politician these days), which means Congress might wait until he's out of office and the American people vote in a nutjob that'll allow it. And by the way, if enough congresspeople want to [read: been bought off], they can vote to overturn a presidential veto.
and @Hiteryan, here's an article you might like--well anyone might like to read: http://www.pcworld.com/article/248425/hollywood_disappointed_with_president_obamas_sopa_stance.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/248425/hollywood_disappointed_with_president_obamas_sopa_stance.html)
Because your donation money is meant to buy the president--you aren't actually supposed to donate to who you think has the right policies! You're supposed to choose the policies for them after paying up, dontcha know?
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More or like, half of the Congress are millioniars, all they think are money money money. They give no crap of what the lower people thinks and assuming "they know it all." That's how they think.
Try searching for dumb millionair congressmen.
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Megaupload is down.
after blocking the use of the internet and freedom of speech in the internet, whats next? blocking our free will as well? are we to live as slaves in the? future?, because thats what it looks like by this act of stupidity
the founder of the Megaupload site only had one objective, that was to make sharing of files easyer through people, its normal that he cant control the content of the files, thatsthe responsibility of the users, but no, they got to him and got him arrested for making file sharing easyer.
I mean, there are people out there killing other people and selling drugs and etc, and they dont do a thing to stop them, but a site that helps people and doesnt kill anyone they block it? are they f.ing retards? the answer is YES.
i would like to see if a kid of each senator was killed by drug dealers, what would they do? keep going after the internet were no one kills anyone? i would love to see it, because this is blocking our freedom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EbR9QhKuZs&feature=share
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That's messed up shin
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That's messed up shin
its not messed up, its the truth and the facts, all they want is money, they dont care about the people's lives, even if they ruin 3 billion's of peoples lifes they only want money, am i wrong?
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How are they gettin money
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From the products we buy. This act is mean to cut down piracy. Piracy losses them money.
When you get a song for free off the net from a torrent site. The label and artist don't get money for it. If you can't get those torrents because the entire internet is on lock-down you'd have no choice but to pay for it.
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taxes from copyrights, for example. some of the money that movie makers do with tickets and dvds, some goes to the taxes, and thats alot of money (correct me if im wrong), and if people download movies and dont buy from stores, there isnt any money
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Who here has political values
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why u ask?
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Im just wondering who is a republican and who is a democrat
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im one of those that doesnt care for politics, and only opens mouth when the goverment does something realy wrong
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Im just wondering who is a republican and who is a democrat
This, will only start flame wars. Keep political discussion like this away from PU please.
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This was already a political discussion
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Ok, clearly you missed the point. The point is stuff about democrats and republicans usually leads to arguments. Something on sopa will most likely not. I mean how many people on the internet support sopa. I'd guess none. Also it'd be nice if we could stop stupid arguments about dems and reps and actually ban together and stop the removal of our rights.
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We'll always have our rights but we will always take them 2far
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What? Yes we use our rights. It's our right to. This bill will take away the freedom of speech on the internet. They could literally shutdown anything they want under this bill. Will no explanation other than this. "Oh, it had copyright infringement."
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So how exactly do u plan on stopping it
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If you took the time to read and understand things, you would have read what actions I took. Also you'd understand how quotes like this are dumb, if you'd actually read into the two bills.
We'll always have our rights but we will always take them 2far
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O i read what actions ur taking and i really think they are pointless.
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Deion, there is no arguing in this, the fact of this is that the goverment wants more money and its using internet block as a way to do that, but that also means the block of our freedom, if the bill is passed, almost every site in the world will be put down with this as excuse " It had copyright in it" even if it its a small little thing, they will block it, you think that is fair? to remove our freedom because of money?
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Says the person who compared the internet to murder
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well was i wrong? they sent FBI to close down Megaupload like it was a group of drugs, FBI should be more worryed about dangerous people than internet where no one gets hurt
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Ppl get hurt all the time cuz of the internet
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physicaly? do they literaly die? can you shoot someone through the monitor?
Seriously, stop talking back to the facts, we tell you facts that are true and you question us like you know everything in the world.
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The pen is mightier than the sword
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Alright, I'm way too tired to explain this multiple times, so Deion, I want you to read this as many times as your brain can handle or until you understand, whichever comes last. And it's a long one, but you'd better read it.
This is a means of taking away everything we love from the internet. Video sharing services like Youtube, Social Networking like Facebook, and as ridiculous as it sounds, even non-profit organizations like Zeldathon. All of this because the government and the media industry want to kill off piracy, because piracy is losing them money. All the revenue they make from making their movies or songs, or all the money earned from taxes, all of that disappears because people are sharing files. But what they don't understand is that for the little money they lose to people pirating videos and songs, they're still gaining money from all the times someone goes on Facebook and says, "Just got 'X' Song, can't stop listening to it! XD" Yet they don't give two sh*ts because they want to get as much money as possible, but they think that the internet is COSTING them more money than it's making them. It's the U.S. Government thinking they control the world, and (I'm gonna go hit my head into a wall after saying this) the corporations thinking they can control your minds. Everything you know, no, everything you love about the internet is going to disappear...
And it's all cause some rich bastard want's a 16th yacht.
This is well put, because that's all this is. Corporations and the Government trying to suck every penny off of you because they want 'stuff'. Yet these bills will ruin not only the lives of those who live here in america, but also those who live ANYWHERE in the world. Most of today's online entertainment comes from america. Most of what you see on youtube (Depending on where you live, because it's different in some countries) is from people who live in america, and once it becomes shut down, that's a large chunk of people who lose their jobs, and an even bigger group of people who lose a large source of entertainment in their lives.
Sure, the internet has caused some problems, and even made bullying a lot easier (I should know, I used to get bullied all the time), but it's innovated people's lives to the extent that the benefits greatly...No IMMENSELY outweigh the downfalls. Not to mention that the BAD parts of the internet stay, because bullying doesn't infringe copyright laws. And if we do something about it, people WILL listen. And if they don't well let's just say "I hope the people in office remember what it's like not being rich." Because the Government's job is to GOVERN! Which is why it's called that. Our country had a Republic, meaning we invest power into a group of people with the hopes that they will use that power correctly. But if the Government isn't doing it's job, or listening to the people, we CAN do something about it. I mean, what's the point of giving your power to someone else if they abuse it? We can take it back, and give it to people who deserve it MORE than they do. And that's what they're afraid of, which is why people call their senators and send letters and go talk to them, which is why everyone on the internet is angry, which is why we ask people to do something.
And again, I'd like to return to another point. This is an attempt by corporations to try to control the internet like they have the music industry, the movie industry, radios, TV, advertising, EVERYTHING! Yet the interntet is something of it's own that they can't control, and they don't realize that.
So after reading all this, what should you do?
*ahem*
STOP BEING SUCH A PESSIMIST AND DO SOMETHING!
Because it's almost like telling someone that you WANT your life to be ruined.
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A article that goes into what the bills could do, probably a more realistic view:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/19/sopa-pipa-facts/?obref=obinsite
Please read it, but if not I can't make you.
The shutdown of sites won't be immediate, like everyone shouting "FIRE!" seems to think. However, I still despise the pieces of legislation and will be talking to my state's representatives.
Plus, megaupload is a bad example because it was violating laws already in place, even though they claim it was unintentionally... (I honestly don't believe them that much when they say that.)
SOPA and PIPA are way too easy for politicians and corporations to abuse, but... I guess my point was, if you shout things that aren't true and honestly think that it is...I think it'd be even MORE difficult to get politicians to listen to your opinion than it already is, because then they can say "but it doesn't do that at all!" and be (mostly) right. The legislation would allow horrible crap to snowball though.
By the way, anyone willing to chip in a fiver for the "Buy-Our-Legislators-Back-and-Show-Our-Reall-Envisionings" Fund? We can call it the BOLBASORE Fund. ;)
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Lol anonymous is so over-dramatic but its interesting because they actually do what they say they will. What happens if YouTube goes down though? What will be their means of communication then, showing up on the screens in Times Square? lol, but in all seriousness, don't let MegaUpload's demise effect the impact that the protests have made. Like I, as well as others, have said in previous posts, MegaUpload going down was just untimely, and can be compared to the fall of other file sharing services like Napster and LimeWire. We just need to keep doing what we're doing to make sure that if and when SOPA is passed, because it will be, that its in a form that doesn't ever-so-bluntly violate our rights.
Contact your representatives, seriously. One of the biggest problems we're facing is that the people deciding the bill's fate have no idea what they're talking about. They see stop online piracy and they think its a good thing, but then we come along and urgently attempt to stress how poorly the bill was written and it comes to their attention how serious it is. Most of those oldies have never even seen a Twitter or Facebook account I bet, so they're really in no place to decide the internet's fate. Its like someone said on YouTube, "it's like putting babies in charge of all the 747s in the world, they don't know what the hell they're doing".
So like I said, continue to sign any petition you find, contact your representative, do your part.
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Press release from the pirate bay about SOPA/PIPA
http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt
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I gotta agree with them, most stories from the movie companies are based off tales written by writers from old times, did they pay for it? No. Pokémon is a rip-off from real animals, do we sue them for using animals to base their pocket monsters off? Nope. So I can call up alot more companies rip off and something claim as theirs.
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Where's Jack Bauer when we need him.
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Press release from the pirate bay about SOPA/PIPA
http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/sopa.txt
<3 Pirate Bay.
If you haven't read that small article Mr_Dark had posted. I suggest everyone do so. Very interesting read.
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We are relieved that Congress has recognized the serious damage the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) and the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) could cause to the Internet and are pleased that congressional leaders have decided not to move forward on these bills. We want to thank the millions of Facebook users who shared their views with us, with members of Congress, and with their friends and families on this important issue, and who changed the direction of this harmful legislation. We appreciate that lawmakers have listened to our community's concerns, and we stand ready to work with them on solutions to piracy and copyright infringement that will not chill free expression or threaten the economic growth and innovation the Internet provides.
Washington's Facebook, posted roughly 2 hours ago.
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YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!! Finally
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Sherm... please post if it's more than a simple word.
And yays for Washington's post. ^^
Besides... in this current generation, Internet is "our" realm. We only go forward and don't work backwards. If you apply Economics on this, you'll understand why also.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAgwpI-Y0Qw
This. Still, hurray for a small victory though.
Don't get scared, this video is old. No I didn't cut my hair.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAgwpI-Y0Qw
This. Still, hurray for a small victory though.
Don't get scared, this video is old. No I didn't cut my hair.
What just happened... ???
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The government doesn't need SOPA. It can still do what SOPA was meant for, but at a much slower rate.
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Though I agree that these proposed bills are misguided, the U.S. government has a history of not listening to it's citizens on more than one occasion. we can protest, petition, make valid points, and even provide evidence that this bill should not be passed, but the house rule is the house rule, and only the president can veto it, but even then, the house can override the veto and pass the law without anymore consent. I'm hoping for the best as well, but It's almost useless to do anything now. Cooperations, large companies, or as we say the "rich," have the government by the loins, and they will not let go. Basically, if it's good for business, then it will be passed. Sad truth.
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The government doesn't need SOPA. It can still do what SOPA was meant for, but at a much slower rate.
Yes, and thats the point of the continuing efforts. It can still be sneakily added in chunks to other pieces of legislation, which is why the fight is not over. But side note, I just seen a report on the news about Anonymous and their threats and well...its so weird, I'm used to Anonymous just being a popular internet meme and YouTube presence but now they're making national headlines. Hats off to those guys man.
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True... always happens. =/ It is annoying though. Sigh..
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If i had just a tiny once of respect for the American Government,i lost all of it.Safe for Obama,he rocked dem.
They try to mess with a nation powerfuller than theirs...The Internet..
SOPA/PIPA used to ruin the internet,but then it took riots to the face.
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sopa failed to pass we need to worry about its current replacement Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act b4 thats erased know that its an act to intrude and record all internet activity in 6 month periods to ensure compliance, which could easily be bent to comply with sopas failed regulations
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Quite the oposite lildj.
Sopa/Pipa is still going tru' another round of votes.
Yes,probably it will be vanquished there.But who knows...It might come back,and trolls,gamers,bloggers,e.t.c will have to stand together against it,again.
PCIP is still going to be a new annoyance,kind of like a round two.But as in any real life round two.You come weaker.In this case,they.
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PCIP is legit? Lol, if they're really going to record all internet activity I can't wait to see how Anonymous reacts ;D. But seriously, that's a blatant invasion of privacy. However, the Constitution hasn't been so great on reserving our right to privacy. Could go against the 1st, 4th, and possibly the 5th amendments, but I'm not certain.
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Anyone heard of ACTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement)?
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This is probably the one time in history where trolls, bloggers, gamers, fanfic writers, parody makers, and others will band together to defeat something...
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we have good news SOPA/PIPA has been postponed so if we can get this done we can get rid of it :D
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Anyone heard of ACTA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement)?
Yes I've heard oh it.
It will log everyone's credit card data in one place, perfect target for anonymous, and it will be able to do what SOPA and PIPA would do..
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Well... that'll be fun... wooh... =/
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ACTA is scarier than SOPA/PIPA ever was. I mean conducted in secret? Great, wonderful, good job government! Bills and treaties like this can effectively turn whole populations into criminals and terrorists. I mean if the government doesn't like something they can just scream "COPYRIGHT B-OTCH!" and shut it down. Yay!
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ACTA is scarier than SOPA/PIPA ever was. I mean conducted in secret? Great, wonderful, good job government! Bills and treaties like this can effectively turn whole populations into criminals and terrorists. I mean if the government doesn't like something they can just scream "COPYRIGHT B-OTCH!" and shut it down. Yay!
Mhm and who knows if there are more like those still in secret? ::)
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They did a pretty good job of hiding ACTA O_O Seriously? The organization that would be made from this would be outside the jurisdiction of the UN, which I would consider a human rights organization (I mean I could be wrong about that though...)
And internet privacy but beyond that it attacks generic medicines ?? WTFudge?
...and "national security" is the excuse for keeping the actual legal text secret? Just how horrible IS the legislation???