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Title: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Nando on December 28, 2009, 04:20:07 AM
Hi guys. I hope you're all doing well.

This topic is dedicated to our "hero" Ash Ketchum. I don't know if you guys are keeping up with the anime, but if you aren't, you might not understand this topic.

I've watched almost every single episode of every Pokemon season that has aired in America, so I am very familiar with Ash and how much he's grown to be a great trainer, but lately he's really been getting on my nerves, so to speak. You see, Ash is a great trainer for many reasons: he loves Pokemon, he's great at Pokemon battles - he can come up with crazy strategies in a pinch, he's been to all known regions and has seen many different types of Pokemon including legendaries, etc. I could go on. Bascially, Ash is a great guy and has the potential of being a Pokemon master. But for some reason the person who created or writes the anime doesn't think so.  ::)

Ash has many accomplishments that can prove how great of a trainer he is. I'm going to list them.

Information from Bulbapedia (Not copy and pasted):

Ash has earned all the gym badges from: Indigo League (8 ), Johto League (8 ), Orange League (4), Hoenn League (8 ), Battle Frontier (7), and the Sinnoh League (7). 42 badges total.

Ash has also participated in Pokemon League conferences and has even placed in top 8.

Indigo Conference (top 8 )
Silver Conference (top 8 )
Ever Grande Conference (top 16)

Ash is the Orange League Champion and the Battle Frontier Champion.

Ash has many more accomplishments, but I won't list them. If you want to check those out, go to Ash's Bulbapedia page.

You guys are probably wondering what I am trying to get at here. I'm sorry to have dragged you this far. Let me get to the point once and for all. The thing is, although Ash is such a great trainer, he's always getting tossed around by his rivals, and I am not just talking about Gary. His latest rival in Sinnoh, Paul, has already battled and beaten Ash 2 or 3 times. In their last battle (episode 594), Paul's Electabuzz beat Ash's Monferno (which evolved during their battle), although it was a close fight, Ash still lost. To make the loss seem worse, this battle took place a few episodes AFTER Paul challenged the Battle Frontier Pyramid King, Brandon, and lost, REALLY BADLY (Brandon's team consists of Regice, Regirock, Registeel, Dusclops, Ninjask, and Solrock. Ash faced the same team and won while Paul couldn't take out a single one of Brandon's Pokemon). Ash is actually the REAL Champion of the Battle Frontier (he turned down the offer to be Pyramid King to continue his journey), and yet he lost to Paul? Huh? I know that Ash used his seasoned Pokemon team to beat Brandon, which consists of Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Pikachu, and his powerful Charizard (forgot the other Pokemon Ash was using), but nonetheless, how can someone with so much battle experience lose to Paul? Shouldn't we give Ash some more credit? He deserves it. >:(

I don't know guys.  ???

Have a good one. Leave your opinion below.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Noctoli on December 28, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
i completly agree with you on this but the reason that ash loses in the anime and the manga is to keep the story intresting.  If he kept winning in every battle the story would get boring and then every one would stop watching the show altogether.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Nando on December 29, 2009, 03:13:41 AM
Yeah, I know, it's just not fair though.  :( Ash definitely shouldn't have lost.  >:( He's a million times better than Paul.

Thanks for your post, Noctoli.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Amphi on December 29, 2009, 05:15:27 PM
The only reason Ash has any reason to keep on his journey is to get more pokemon, he's already known around the world so why don't the just have him start catching more pokemon like he originally wanted instead of just the six in his team, of course i am happy ash finally got a dragon type pokemon, if he keep gible it will like become the next charizard of his team
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Maelstrom on December 29, 2009, 07:58:27 PM
it was pretty upsetting when ash let charizard go, even though he was extremely stubborn he was the strong point of the team, especially when he laid smack down on blaines magmar
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: boyben10 on December 30, 2009, 12:12:52 AM
as of the latest japanese episode, ash catches a gible. maybe he'll evolve it into a garchomp and finally win some battles.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Darksworn on December 30, 2009, 06:25:02 AM
Ash should at least get some Recognition from him and his friends Saving the world the past MILLION TIMES!!!
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Sibone1 on December 31, 2009, 08:44:37 PM
i dont understand how ash sometimes makes stupid judgements in situations and comes across not very experienced when he has been travelling around for years catching, training and battleing pokemon against all kinds of people, teams, gyms, legendaries. He has also managed to get through many many many situations. 600 episodes later, god knows how many films, he should be experienced and able to beat most trainers. I dont like the fact he gets beat by an arrogent new trainer (paul). He will beat paul in the league finals (as he does with all his rivals of the series)!

One more thing that is wierd is how ash checks his pokedex for pokemon he has seen many times before. Pffffft.

p.s he didnt release charizard, he just left charizard in training and can/will recall him whenever needed as he has done a few times in the show.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: mightygamer2 on December 31, 2009, 08:51:34 PM
let's not just focus on ash. let's talk about some of his pokemon, especially that littl yellow friend, pikachu. i mean, in the first gym battle ash had, he took down a freakin' onix....with pikachu...and now, it seems that pikachu has regressed to a much lower level...what's up with that?
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Sibone1 on December 31, 2009, 09:21:33 PM
let's not just focus on ash. let's talk about some of his pokemon, especially that littl yellow friend, pikachu. i mean, in the first gym battle ash had, he took down a freakin' onix....with pikachu...and now, it seems that pikachu has regressed to a much lower level...what's up with that?

omg i forgot about this, ash's pikachu is meant to be a rare strong pikachu (its the main reason team rocket want it) It completely killed that flock of spearow when ash first gets it, as you said takes down an onix after frying brocks geodude. The opening introduction to one of the series shows pikachu's mighty thunder attack blasting through a huge stretch of trees. Yet in the recent series it sucks. I would understand if it was a new pokemon but when its just as experienced as ash is, it should kick ass. Think of the strength it should have buil up after years of batteling. I understand why they make it so it isnt extremely powerfull compared to the rest of ash's new pokemon, but it should be.

I remember t having difficulty beating a treeko that ash catches, come on, a treeko against the super rare, strong, experienced pikachu
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Amphi on January 01, 2010, 03:37:49 AM
pikachu also should have evolved by now too i don't care if its a nyerking show mascot Raichu is so much cooler in my opinion!!! plus it would become even more of a major power house in ash's arsenal( even though because ash gets beaten easily wouldn't matter much)
also any1 know how old should actually be??? i mean shouldn't he be at least 16... isn't it a bit weird that a 16 year old is traveling with like a 10 year old(dawn) and brock probably around 17 - 18
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: mightygamer2 on January 01, 2010, 04:04:58 AM
pikachu also should have evolved by now too i don't care if its a nyerking show mascot Raichu is so much cooler in my opinion!!! plus it would become even more of a major power house in ash's arsenal( even though because ash gets beaten easily wouldn't matter much)
also any1 know how old should actually be??? i mean shouldn't he be at least 16... isn't it a bit weird that a 16 year old is traveling with like a 10 year old(dawn) and brock probably around 17 - 18

no, ash should be around...thirty...and brock...well into his fourties...
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Nando on January 01, 2010, 09:01:50 AM
let's not just focus on ash. let's talk about some of his pokemon, especially that littl yellow friend, pikachu. i mean, in the first gym battle ash had, he took down a freakin' onix....with pikachu...and now, it seems that pikachu has regressed to a much lower level...what's up with that?

Onix? Yeah, that's impressive, but Pikachu has fought many more powerful Pokemon. Its been in countless battles and has participated in a lot of tournaments - including Pokemon league conferences (Evergrande, Silver, Orange, and soon the Sinnoh Conference). And yet, like you said, the show makes Ash's Pikachu seem like he hasn't grown a bit. Pikachu displayed more power in the first Pokemon episode than he has in the last 300 episodes.  ::)

It's true that Ash would be a much better trainer if he had at least kept his Charizard with him. Ash's Charizard took out Articuno in a full-out battle during the Battle Frontier series (I forgot which Frontier Brain used Articuno). Not every Pokemon can defeat a legendary. Charizard defeating Blaine's Magmar is surely a feat, but nothing compared to defeating an Articuno.

Thank you all for your posts. Have a Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Amphi on January 01, 2010, 05:26:53 PM
why don't they just let ash retire already and start a another series with a new trainer and a pichu as his starter or a shinx or something
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Sibone1 on January 01, 2010, 09:17:23 PM
I glad ash left charizard in training and im glad he uses new pokemon every series, how boring would it be if his team was the same for all 600 + episodes. I also wish people would stop chumming charizard sooooo much. Back in the day of the 150 pokemon it was one of the stronger but now it isnt really although it is pretty strong. To all people here who are about 10 and started watching pokemon when the hoenn series or later was on, pokemon isnt just about evolving pokemon to get them as strong as possible (this is a message in the latest series with pauls style of training Vs ash's and it is also a message in an episode where dawn's piplup nearly evolves.) so therefor pikachu should NEVER evolve, plus it takes a thunderstone to do so, ash had the oppotunity in the first series but refuses.

he age thing really isnt a concern, the producers have deliberatly left out how old the characters are and how many years they have been training for. WE know that ash was 10 when he started his journey, it is said in some episodes that ash has been travelling around for a few years. Dawn could be an older new trainer for all we know. There is no rule saying you have to become a trainer at 10 and im not aware of it mentioning anywhere in the show dawns age
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Hyakko on January 18, 2010, 12:43:37 PM
Personally i think the anime is highly overrated. A lot of things don't add up first Pikachu isn't supposed to beat an Onix. Second Ash is supposed to be a normal guy not some retard. Like when i played in GSC series Ash became a man of a few words. like seriously, alot of things don't add up and stupidity is flung in the air like perfume.

I think though that ash should be more reserved and older looking with all the time he took wandering about and having his experience as a surefire that he can't fail after beating such great and powerfull trainers, like seriously, He should toss pauls pokemon like ragdolls all around and chew them up and spit them out like pogey bait. Like come on my battle against ASH in GSC series was titanic hard and I almost lost to his level 100 team. LEVEL 100 no fricking way he should have lost to Paul. Also I seriously don't like how they make heros soo STUPID, like come on. LUV your pokemon with all your heart reminds me  of Sailor moon lines but for the boys. seriously. He should be smart experienced and skilled not look like the total idiot that he is. I would have like the series much more if things had made more sense in the beginning. Ok he has an electric pokemon, he should know not to use electric in a earth/rock gym, should be looking for a plant pokemon. or a water one. also doing impossible things like killing a legendary with charizard(even though the type match up should have been perfect), takes credibility in the anime away. what we should see is not the usual roster of pokemons but him making a gym roster team whenever he gets to a gym. with all those battles under his belt he should not be able to loose to Paul.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Jerry on January 22, 2010, 07:12:02 PM
Well, winning despite a handicap is the essence of strategy, I think, right?


Yes, I know, Ash doesn't really have strategies, but he happen to do some awesome combos at times, even if he does completely fail at other times.

On another note, if Ash was to be winning each time, people will find him too predictable, more than it's already now anyway.

Ok, you can go on now.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Socrates on January 28, 2010, 02:41:46 AM
Is Ash still 10??? Haha I think the original series of the anime was the best. Not as many pokemon, better comedy, now Ash is a smart trainer and isn't as inexperienced in battle. The anime is great though.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Gingimon on January 28, 2010, 03:36:24 AM
I can't imagine the person lucky enough to have the name Ash Ketchum, btw, are these forum names gonna be the names we use when the game/beta comes out?
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Socrates on January 28, 2010, 05:25:04 AM
Ash Ketchum is a legend. Had he not changed voices when 4kids sold the show to Pokemon America the show would still be awesome and everyone would still love it. Everyone overreacts about how bad that new gen's are. The reason they believe they are bad is because they haven't played them. Once you start playing them you get situated with the new pokemon and used to the new region. I love every aspect of Pokemon whether its the classic anime, or the games (and hopefully soon the MMORPG!!!)
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Napo on January 28, 2010, 07:15:27 AM
why don't they just let ash retire already and start a another series with a new trainer and a pichu as his starter or a shinx or something
lol they will only let ash retire if he becomes the next pokemon master.

Plus i also saw the new jap opening and was great, and his monferno will evolve in dp 163 and his grotle will evolve later xD. but i didn't see gible evolved form or buizel.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Socrates on January 28, 2010, 09:46:36 PM
Ash wont ever retire. His whole life is centered around pokemon and training, literally. The show would clearly take a turn for the worse and would end up canceling the show had he leave. Plus I'm pretty sure that the show is almost finished with anyway, I dont know if I could handle anymore pokemon I already have enough trouble remembering them now.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Aristos on February 13, 2010, 06:50:01 AM
Poor Ash tho, I think after the Sinnoh Series, he should become Pokemon Master..
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Quote on February 20, 2010, 11:22:40 PM
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh232/Brownee2/Liar.jpg?t=1266704378)

Flame me if you wish, but this is what I think of ash.

He's an idiot. He trains his pokemon only to give them away for no valid reason and still tries to be the best. Paul goes out there and trains, but I've never really seen ash go out and fight things since long ago. He seems to gain more pokemon through "friendship" than it is "I caught you"
Then once they're good he saids "goodbye" and shoos them off. The only reason pikachu isn't gone is because the show would lose a lot of it's touch without him.

Yet to me he already lost a lot of his touch when he removed misty.



I don't hate the pokemon show, but I don't like ash that much. At least not the new one. Maybe I'm a nostalgia-ass who can't take change to something which he loved, but I still stand to my reasons.

Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: CowsSayMew on February 27, 2010, 03:56:02 PM
ok 1) the show has been on a near loop for the past few seasons so its not "more interesting" because ash loses a few battles. ever since the orange islands the show has basically restarted with every new land he went to... Hey ima go to _____ and ima only bring pikachu and ima meet a new female to travel around with and im going to become like a new trainer... after everything ash has been through he technically shouldnt lose to many gems because dont new trainers go to these gyms to earn their badges too? so is ash just not > a new trainer? + wtf pikachu and ashes old team beat the orange island guy... pikachu defeated a dragonite.... how is pikachu not like lvl100 1shotting all these noob trainers...

2) i dont even watch diamond & pearl cuz it is an embarrassment to the anime. ffs it is basically a pokemon gameboy game advertiser/tutorial for 10 year olds... there was an episode about the B button... wth....

it would be better if pokemon just created a newer series where ash was older and he traveled around facing older trainers who were actually good at battling instead of his age being constant and him facing noob trainers all the time who, when they win, make ash look bad... if u are going to make ash lose, make him lose to someone who isnt an embarrassment loser... bring richie back or something XD

3) the only real marker of time passing throughout the whole series that i remember is in the 3rd movies mini movie... it was ash and pikachus 1 year together.... he ages slowly... but he is at least 11
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: BuzzKillington on June 09, 2010, 06:21:17 PM
I agree that pikachu should be level 100 one shot one killing everyone but then what would the point of the show be, i dont watch it because its not on in australia free to air and i dont have the download to get it but seriously how boring would it be if he walked into a new region no scoped all the gyms with thunder bolts walked up the the champion leagues and powned them with pikachu. It would be boring i think he should not battle with pikachu except in legendaries and the last great battles in champion leagues and such and that if he is going to start a fresh dont include pickachu in that noob class and let him stay the onix killing domination he is.
- Buzz -
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Raikt on June 09, 2010, 07:07:18 PM
Lots of stuff said before this, so I'm only bringing up one point:

I don't generally watch the anime. It slowly went downhill after the first episode. I skim almost every episode now to look exclusively for battle scenes. Everything else is so damn predictable. Team Rocket will show up. The cast will go somewhere and learn something new. (Even if it's an older lesson.) They make a friend / rival. Team Rocket shows up and steals something. They fail. Lesson learned. End. Put this on repeat and it's every episode since the first series. (Ever noticed almost every single episode ends with a fade out and them walking off into the sunset? Yeah...)

That's the opposite of an enticing plot. I digress, however. My original point was I miss things such as the battle with Dome Ace Tucker. Honestly, the result annoyed me. Ash shouldn't have one. Tucker was bloody brilliant. His strategies, tactics, and Pokemon choice were one of the reasons I became enthralled with the series as a child.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ver-go-a-go-go on June 27, 2010, 10:09:31 PM
I don't hate the pokemon show, but I don't like ash that much. At least not the new one. Maybe I'm a nostalgia-ass who can't take change to something which he loved, but I still stand to my reasons.

Your post reflects my thoughts almost exactly. And not just the part I quoted either.

I fear that trying to make Ash "mature" has gone a bit too far. Yeah, look at where he was at episode 001 and where he is now; I hardly see the same person. But that's what's SUPPOSED to happen in a TV series right? The main character is supposed to grow and develop for the best over the course. But perhaps it comes to a point to where he's "matured" so much that it's now laughable?

Charizard.

Leaving Charizard behind was a breaking point for me. That Charizard was the ultimate symbol of how Ash progressed I thought, taking it in as an abandoned Charmander, sticking with it even when it evolved and HATED him, and eventually beat Gary's Blastoise in what I consider the best battle that show has ever featured just because of that moment. But yeah, he throws it away.... because he's "mature" enough to see it's the "right" thing to do.

He makes the excuse from gen to gen that he wants to befriend the native Pokemon of that specific region to show them that they can be strong too. .....What? I thought the goal was for YOU to be strong, and you're going to need more mainstays than just Pikachu if you want that. Plus, it's a pain in the ass for the fans when you leave behind your own Pokemon that some of us happened to like.

I could ramble on and on, but I'll stop there. Ash is just maturity gone bad; you have to be more than mature if you're going to make it in Pokemon. ;)


Edit: The picture is great. Speaks a million words with the caption, too.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: neokills on June 27, 2010, 10:53:36 PM
you say that he got all the badges in the 1st generation, b ut that can't be true since gary was able to have 10 badges before ash even got his 8th, so there is obviously more than just 8 gym in the 1st region and I'm sure its safe to assume there is more than 8 gyms in the other regions also. And if you see it that way ash was only catching the bare minimum needed to enter the league.

Im not saying ash inst a great trainer but just because he has 8 badges in each region doesn't mean he beat all the gyms.

here it says there are at least 27 gyms known about in just the 1st region

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gym

so who knows how many total gyms there are, but ash definitely did not get them all or any where close for that matter
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Jerry on July 03, 2010, 02:49:24 PM
Well, maybe Gyms get closed, and other gyms open each time... like say one gym is performing badly... it gets closed, and another gym is opened somewhere else.

It's just my opinion, I may be wrong, but since there are no details about the gyms issue, I can only speculate.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: LeoReborn on July 03, 2010, 02:58:52 PM
Yeah, watch episodes in season 1, especially later ones, You will see many different badges.

Gary had to be an over-acheiver, he had 10 badges.

Who could forget the Kas and Yas Gyms? Its in the episode where Pikachu shows his love for Ketchup.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: TheGr8 on July 06, 2010, 09:50:20 PM
What I think is that Paul is so arrogant and Ash is a way better trainer than him. I am not sure entirely but isn't Ash using most Sinnoh Pokemon in his battles with Paul.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: LeoReborn on July 06, 2010, 10:03:37 PM
Yeah, The only Non-Sinnoh Pokemon he's using is Pikachu.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: TheGr8 on July 06, 2010, 10:23:57 PM
I figured that :) Just recently got back into watching the episodes. Why do you think Ash looses to Paul?
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: LeoReborn on July 07, 2010, 06:24:22 PM
I figured that :) Just recently got back into watching the episodes. Why do you think Ash looses to Paul?

Even Though Paul Pretty much abuses his team, There is an underlying bond there too. He and his team have been through a lot.

Also his Team is much stronger than Ash's team, combining that with an Extremely Reckless Battle Style, You can see it.

Beyond that even, If Ash Stuck to his old team all the way through, he Would be owning Ubers even. He swaps out his team when going to another reigon too.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ver-go-a-go-go on July 08, 2010, 05:06:32 AM
Yeah, Ash would have no problem at all if he stuck with his original team. There's just no way someone could be the champion of the freaking Battle Frontier and still lose to that guy. But I think it's done on purpose to keep things interesting, so we don't just have Charizard coming out every battle and kicking everyone's ass. Plus, you have the whole maturity issue, that Ash has matured so much that he no longer feels the need for strong Pokemon he's trained in the past.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: LeoReborn on July 08, 2010, 02:09:54 PM
I know that, I was answering TheGr8
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: DarK_SouL on July 12, 2010, 05:07:09 AM
I just started watching the show again, I started back on the Grandma Wilma episode. It is actually not that bad, defiantly not my favorite Anime/TV show or whatever it is, but it is pretty good.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: zylonnick on January 08, 2011, 03:49:02 PM
In the new series, he gets beaten by a new trainer twice. WTF, Is he stupid?
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ez on July 21, 2011, 07:09:14 PM
*BUMP* ------ Omg that's why i don't wathc the anime anymore ash is such a little punk his level what? 80, Pikachu takes out a Dragonite but gets his ass wooped by some GRASS starter in Pokemon Black and White to newbie trainer........ ???.......wut! And Ash makes friends with the most annoying people...... com'n writers can't you make the anime epic?

If the anime were about Red and not Ash then i'd watch it. Red is badass
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: loudskies on July 23, 2011, 11:23:51 AM
*BUMP* ------ Omg that's why i don't wathc the anime anymore ash is such a little punk his level what? 80, Pikachu takes out a Dragonite but gets his ass wooped by some GRASS starter in Pokemon Black and White to newbie trainer........ ???.......wut! And Ash makes friends with the most annoying people...... com'n writers can't you make the anime epic?

If the anime were about Red and not Ash then i'd watch it. Red is badass

Pikachu Resets to level 5 Every region he goes to, its a known fact..
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Bing on July 23, 2011, 07:00:13 PM
*BUMP* ------ Omg that's why i don't wathc the anime anymore ash is such a little punk his level what? 80, Pikachu takes out a Dragonite but gets his ass wooped by some GRASS starter in Pokemon Black and White to newbie trainer........ ???.......wut! And Ash makes friends with the most annoying people...... com'n writers can't you make the anime epic?

If the anime were about Red and not Ash then i'd watch it. Red is badass

Actually there is some explanation for pikachu's weakness in black/white.  He did get zapped by Zekrom.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: zylonnick on July 23, 2011, 07:46:54 PM
*BUMP* ------ Omg that's why i don't wathc the anime anymore ash is such a little punk his level what? 80, Pikachu takes out a Dragonite but gets his ass wooped by some GRASS starter in Pokemon Black and White to newbie trainer........ ???.......wut! And Ash makes friends with the most annoying people...... com'n writers can't you make the anime epic?

If the anime were about Red and not Ash then i'd watch it. Red is badass

Actually there is some explanation for pikachu's weakness in black/white.  He did get zapped by Zekrom.

He didn't got zapped in the Hoenn region, but he wasn't really powerfull there too. Ash and Pikacu just suffer both from amnesia, so they forget all their training (remember the countershield, dodging like the waves, feeling where the opponent is without looking... anyone?) That's the only explanation. He doesn't get reset at each new region because a level 5 pikachu can't use iron tail... TrollFreak did it again...
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Noah_Road on July 23, 2011, 08:03:05 PM
I find Ash as the most annoying trainer ever. I can understand that the writers want him to catch new pokemon, sure. I can slighty understand the whole power reset his Pikachu suffers (the defeat from Trip's Snivy was too much though). What I can't stand about him is that he NEVER learns from his experiences. After 15-16 years of him being a trainer, going through 4 regions and journeying on his 5th, he still acts like he's a new trainer that started yesterday. He doesn't think of type match-ups, he uses reckless strategies, he refuses to train his pokemon correctly, and he relies on luck most of the time. He litterally tosses his pokemon aside after going though a region then turns around and lectures Paul about carring for his pokemon.

Here is the reason Paul is a much better trainer than him; He thinks about his team, he takes types match-ups into consideration, at the pokemon league he didn't chose his team based on a whim such as Ash did. He took time to think of strategy instead of just saying "Alright, this team was beat by Paul before but I wanna prove that they can beat him so I'll use him again instead of making any strategy what-so-ever!" Paul learned from his mistakes. He learned from his fight with Barry that entry hazards give an advantage, he learned to use counter shield and used it effectively, he learned how Ash's team works and used that knowlege against him.

Ash Ketchum is the only reason the anime is so horrible.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ez on July 23, 2011, 08:47:49 PM
I find Ash as the most annoying trainer ever. I can understand that the writers want him to catch new pokemon, sure. I can slighty understand the whole power reset his Pikachu suffers (the defeat from Trip's Snivy was too much though). What I can't stand about him is that he NEVER learns from his experiences. After 15-16 years of him being a trainer, going through 4 regions and journeying on his 5th, he still acts like he's a new trainer that started yesterday. He doesn't think of type match-ups, he uses reckless strategies, he refuses to train his pokemon correctly, and he relies on luck most of the time. He litterally tosses his pokemon aside after going though a region then turns around and lectures Paul about carring for his pokemon.

Here is the reason Paul is a much better trainer than him; He thinks about his team, he takes types match-ups into consideration, at the pokemon league he didn't chose his team based on a whim such as Ash did. He took time to think of strategy instead of just saying "Alright, this team was beat by Paul before but I wanna prove that they can beat him so I'll use him again instead of making any strategy what-so-ever!" Paul learned from his mistakes. He learned from his fight with Barry that entry hazards give an advantage, he learned to use counter shield and used it effectively, he learned how Ash's team works and used that knowlege against him.

Ash Ketchum is the only reason the anime is so horrible.

im pretty sure he's still eleven lol so in his time only a year passed of being a trainer but i agree with what you said
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Hank on July 23, 2011, 08:49:13 PM
He's ten.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ez on July 23, 2011, 08:55:27 PM
He's ten.

oh snapz your right ....................
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Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: jeremiahT on July 23, 2011, 09:44:25 PM
Ash loves to start over a lot and he likes to challenge himself with things like matching up the types so he's at a disadvantage and giving his more weaker pokemon a chance to battle than sticking to what he know can win like when he used pikachu to beat the the first gym in Diamond and Pearl dawn said why don't you get charzard and ash said he must use his new pokemon instead because they were is team.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Noah_Road on July 23, 2011, 09:56:59 PM
Ash loves to start over a lot and he likes to challenge himself with things like matching up the types so hes at a disadvantage and giving his more weaker pokemon a chance to battle than sticking to what he know can win like when he used turtwig to beat the the first gym in Diamond and Pearl dawn said why don not you get charzard and ash said he must use his new pokemon instead.

Dawn never said that. Dawn doesn't even know he owns a Charizards as seen when they make it to the Pokemon League.

He's ten.

He's at least 14. He's celabrated his anaversiary with Pikachu 3 times durring the anime plus the fact that he sated that getting to the Indigo Leauge took a year.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ez on July 23, 2011, 10:53:54 PM
Ash loves to start over a lot and he likes to challenge himself with things like matching up the types so hes at a disadvantage and giving his more weaker pokemon a chance to battle than sticking to what he know can win like when he used turtwig to beat the the first gym in Diamond and Pearl dawn said why don not you get charzard and ash said he must use his new pokemon instead.

Dawn never said that. Dawn doesn't even know he owns a Charizards as seen when they make it to the Pokemon League.

He's ten.

He's at least 14. He's celabrated his anaversiary with Pikachu 3 times durring the anime plus the fact that he sated that getting to the Indigo Leauge took a year.


on his official wiki thing it says hes still ten
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Hank on July 23, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
1st episode: Best wishes "ASH IS TEN"
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Noah_Road on July 23, 2011, 11:14:30 PM
1st episode: Best wishes "ASH IS TEN"

That was a writters error. Sugumori fixed it in most languages.

In most laguages it says that he is a young tranier without saying his age.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Level5Pidgey on July 24, 2011, 03:39:07 PM
Ash is a bad trainer. Total nubcaek.
Every new region... "Oh... a fire pokemon?! GO BULBASAUR LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOL"
The anime is the worst thing about Pokemon...
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Bing on July 24, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
I understand that ash likes challenges but really come on... this is too much.  If they want to have the whole new trainer starting out thing get a new trainer.  I'm hoping ash wins this new league and becomes a champ and then either the series ends or they get a new protagonist.  Hell if they wanted ash could be a character that appears frequently in the series.
Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: Ez on July 24, 2011, 08:36:52 PM
Ash is a bad trainer. Total nubcaek.
Every new region... "Oh... a fire pokemon?! GO BULBASAUR LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOL"
The anime is the worst thing about Pokemon...

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Title: Re: Our hero Ash Ketchum
Post by: jeremiahT on July 24, 2011, 09:06:30 PM
Thanks for the correction he does not say charzard but they refer to it as his "other pokemon"