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Pokémon Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: Tickles on September 23, 2010, 10:07:23 PM
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This is a hypothetical battle against a strong ghost type trainor. So far you have taken out all but two of their pokemon in a tag battle,Sableye and Shedinja, and they have Sableye use skill swap on Shedinja. You take out Shedinja, but Sableye, who now has wonder guard, is left, and all you have is your last, ready to battle, full PP, pokemon. Who is your pokemon, and how would you beat Sableye? Remember, the trainor has a lot of max elixers, so waiting for struggle is not an option. Good luck.
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Bring out a Machamp.
Use foresight, then use close combat.
You will probably one shot the Sableye, and if you don't, then just use the combination again and it should do it. I believe that is the only way.
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Bring out a Kangaskhan with Scrappy and use Brick Break.
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Xatu, Use Skill Swap on Sableye, Then Spam Brave Bird and Hyper Potions.
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Jirachi uses Nasty Plot and then Doom Desire, and follows it up with a future sight. Problem Solved.
Toxic Vaporeon is another possibility. But thats not as fun.
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Jirachi uses Nasty Plot and then Doom Desire, and follows it up with a future sight. Problem Solved.
Future Sight and Doom Desire cannot stack. Otherwise, that would work.
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Jirachi uses Nasty Plot and then Doom Desire, and follows it up with a future sight. Problem Solved.
Future Sight and Doom Desire cannot stack. Otherwise, that would work.
Oh yeah forgot about that. Well an attack with a base of 120 plus Nasty Plot against a pokemon who has only average special defense would probably be taken out anyway
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Bring out a Magikarp and use Spla-
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It has wonder guard, remember? Only super-effective attacks work on it. I would use a pokemon with confuse ray, toxic, protect, and a healing move of some sort. That's all I can think of.
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It has wonder guard, remember? Only super-effective attacks work on it. I would use a pokemon with confuse ray, toxic, protect, and a healing move of some sort. That's all I can think of.
You need to learn your moves and abilities before you say what will work and what won't.
Wonder Guard does not block Struggle from hitting, nor does it block moves whose types do not come into play for damage calculation, such as Beat Up, Future Sight and Doom Desire. Fire Fang will also hit even if it is not super-effective. Wonder Guard may not be Skill Swapped or copied with Role Play, but it may be Traced. Spikes and Stealth Rock may also damage a Pokémon with Wonder Guard.
I was going with it even though I knew Wonder Guard could not be skill swapped.
I believe you commented on something I said about Halo reach that had no backing to it as well.
So, for the second time:
Know what you are talking about before you try to sound smart
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It has wonder guard, remember? Only super-effective attacks work on it. I would use a pokemon with confuse ray, toxic, protect, and a healing move of some sort. That's all I can think of.
You need to learn your moves and abilities before you say what will work and what won't.
Wonder Guard does not block Struggle from hitting, nor does it block moves whose types do not come into play for damage calculation, such as Beat Up, Future Sight and Doom Desire. Fire Fang will also hit even if it is not super-effective. Wonder Guard may not be Skill Swapped or copied with Role Play, but it may be Traced. Spikes and Stealth Rock may also damage a Pokémon with Wonder Guard.
I was going with it even though I knew Wonder Guard could not be skill swapped.
I believe you commented on something I said about Halo reach that had no backing to it as well.
So, for the second time:
Know what you are talking about before you try to sound smart
same to you....
Jirachi uses Nasty Plot and then Doom Desire, and follows it up with a future sight. Problem Solved.
Future Sight and Doom Desire cannot stack. Otherwise, that would work.
Oh yeah forgot about that. Well an attack with a base of 120 plus Nasty Plot against a pokemon who has only average special defense would probably be taken out anyway
No offense.
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It has wonder guard, remember? Only super-effective attacks work on it. I would use a pokemon with confuse ray, toxic, protect, and a healing move of some sort. That's all I can think of.
I was going with it even though I knew Wonder Guard could not be skill swapped.
I believe you commented on something I said about Halo reach that had no backing to it as well.
So, for the second time:
Know what you are talking about before you try to sound smart
same to you....
Jirachi uses Nasty Plot and then Doom Desire, and follows it up with a future sight. Problem Solved.
Future Sight and Doom Desire cannot stack. Otherwise, that would work.
Oh yeah forgot about that. Well an attack with a base of 120 plus Nasty Plot against a pokemon who has only average special defense would probably be taken out anyway
No offense.
Yeah i see that now.
Oh well Im in a bad mood today, so I'm commenting before I tihnk.
But other comments like trainerx's arent helping my already short patience.
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In the Off-Topic board, Go to Mr_Dark's Thread: "How to Relax"....
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Kthnks
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There are many other possibilities...
Have a pokemon with Worry Seed or Gastro Acid for example, and Sableye should go down sooner or later.
I can take for example Torterra, used Worry Seed, then Leech Seed then Earthquake.
I can take Shiftry, Worry Seed, Sythesis when required and Nasty Plot/Leaf Storm combo.
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Blaziken with blaze kick or Gengar with Night shade and bye bye sableye
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Blaziken with blaze kick or Gengar with Night shade and bye bye sableye
You overlooked the fact that this Sableye has the Wonder Guard ability >.>
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use any fast pokemon that can take two hits and has furycutter
or uses a fighter/fire blaziken or infernape
holla
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bug is not effective on ghost, so, it's not super effective and Sableye doesn't receive a single damage.
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bug is not effective on ghost, so, it's not super effective and Sableye doesn't receive a single damage.
yeah it used to be super effective but i just looked it up its not anymore hmm... oh well what do i care the second on still works and i don't personally use furry cutter regardless
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bug is not effective on ghost, so, it's not super effective and Sableye doesn't receive a single damage.
yeah it used to be super effective but i just looked it up its not anymore hmm... oh well what do i care the second on still works and i don't personally use furry cutter regardless
fire/fight wont work either. What part of wonder guard dont you get?
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All of it. Apparently.
Wonder Guard makes it so that any attack that is not super effective does 0 damage. Exceptions are attacks that don`t calaculate super effective hits, like say, Doom Desire, Future Sight, or Beat Up. Effect Causing attacks can also hit, as well as debuffs. So you can use things like Screech or toxic. Another exception is fire fang for some reason
Long story short..You can`t use any typed attack that calculates super effective damage
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Yup, and dont forget the worst one of all, leech seed!!!
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No, fire fang won't affect Wonder Guard Sableye either (or if it really does, a proof/source would be welcome).
If you are talking about Shedinja, then that's something else.
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All of it. Apparently.
Wonder Guard makes it so that any attack that is not super effective does 0 damage. Exceptions are attacks that don`t calaculate super effective hits, like say, Doom Desire, Future Sight, or Beat Up. Effect Causing attacks can also hit, as well as debuffs. So you can use things like Screech or toxic. Another exception is fire fang for some reason
Long story short..You can`t use any typed attack that calculates super effective damage
Look, just because someone is wrong doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. People make mistakes, it's the way things are. If they don't know what the ability does, just tell them what it does without being such a jerk! I'm not trying to start a fight, I just hate it when people act like this.
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All of it. Apparently.
Wonder Guard makes it so that any attack that is not super effective does 0 damage. Exceptions are attacks that don`t calaculate super effective hits, like say, Doom Desire, Future Sight, or Beat Up. Effect Causing attacks can also hit, as well as debuffs. So you can use things like Screech or toxic. Another exception is fire fang for some reason
Long story short..You can`t use any typed attack that calculates super effective damage
Look, just because someone is wrong doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. People make mistakes, it's the way things are. If they don't know what the ability does, just tell them what it does without being such a jerk! I'm not trying to start a fight, I just hate it when people act like this.
I approve of him acting like this because ive been watching this daedae guy recently and hes been boasting in posts that he knos pretty much everything about pokemon. Feels good when i see him contradict himself
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All of it. Apparently.
Wonder Guard makes it so that any attack that is not super effective does 0 damage. Exceptions are attacks that don`t calaculate super effective hits, like say, Doom Desire, Future Sight, or Beat Up. Effect Causing attacks can also hit, as well as debuffs. So you can use things like Screech or toxic. Another exception is fire fang for some reason
Long story short..You can`t use any typed attack that calculates super effective damage
Look, just because someone is wrong doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. People make mistakes, it's the way things are. If they don't know what the ability does, just tell them what it does without being such a jerk! I'm not trying to start a fight, I just hate it when people act like this.
I approve of him acting like this because ive been watching this daedae guy recently and hes been boasting in posts that he knos pretty much everything about pokemon. Feels good when i see him contradict himself
I noticed that too. sometime yesterday, he was the most recent poster on like 5 or 6 different threads, two of them were him flaming dragon types, another had him claiming to never lose, and I forget the other ones, but thats enough info anyway.
I just felt like taking him off his high horse.
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All of it. Apparently.
Wonder Guard makes it so that any attack that is not super effective does 0 damage. Exceptions are attacks that don`t calaculate super effective hits, like say, Doom Desire, Future Sight, or Beat Up. Effect Causing attacks can also hit, as well as debuffs. So you can use things like Screech or toxic. Another exception is fire fang for some reason
Long story short..You can`t use any typed attack that calculates super effective damage
Look, just because someone is wrong doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. People make mistakes, it's the way things are. If they don't know what the ability does, just tell them what it does without being such a jerk! I'm not trying to start a fight, I just hate it when people act like this.
I approve of him acting like this because ive been watching this daedae guy recently and hes been boasting in posts that he knos pretty much everything about pokemon. Feels good when i see him contradict himself
I noticed that too. sometime yesterday, he was the most recent poster on like 5 or 6 different threads, two of them were him flaming dragon types, another had him claiming to never lose, and I forget the other ones, but thats enough info anyway.
I just felt like taking him off his high horse.
Now that I think about it, I remember that. Sorry for yelling at you. He does deserve that, except if you tell him he's wrong he just keeps arguing. I have seen you do that to other people who just made a mistake. Just please stop acting like that if they aren't being a jerk.
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All of it. Apparently.
Wonder Guard makes it so that any attack that is not super effective does 0 damage. Exceptions are attacks that don`t calaculate super effective hits, like say, Doom Desire, Future Sight, or Beat Up. Effect Causing attacks can also hit, as well as debuffs. So you can use things like Screech or toxic. Another exception is fire fang for some reason
Long story short..You can`t use any typed attack that calculates super effective damage
Look, just because someone is wrong doesn't give you the right to be a jerk. People make mistakes, it's the way things are. If they don't know what the ability does, just tell them what it does without being such a jerk! I'm not trying to start a fight, I just hate it when people act like this.
I approve of him acting like this because ive been watching this daedae guy recently and hes been boasting in posts that he knos pretty much everything about pokemon. Feels good when i see him contradict himself
I noticed that too. sometime yesterday, he was the most recent poster on like 5 or 6 different threads, two of them were him flaming dragon types, another had him claiming to never lose, and I forget the other ones, but thats enough info anyway.
I just felt like taking him off his high horse.
Now that I think about it, I remember that. Sorry for yelling at you. He does deserve that, except if you tell him he's wrong he just keeps arguing. I have seen you do that to other people who just made a mistake. Just please stop acting like that if they aren't being a jerk.
I only usually open my mouth when someone is wrong. I've been wrong on things and have been put in my place. Therefore, it is acceptible to do the same as one who seems to be as arrogant and filled with hot air as this other user seems to be, as he hasn't proven himself otherwise.
Just think, he may prove me wrong with a response to this very post; who knows.
Respect goes both ways, I only give it to people who show me some. I remain neutral until some sort of conversation between me and another takes place.
So, if you're going to be an arrogant ass who believes his poop smeels better than everyone else's, then i will me more than happy to take a shot at you and bring you down a peg.
People like that need a reality check anyways.
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My goal was to make a hypothetical battle, not start any conflicts. The best answers were the ones that talked about status changes. Here is my answer to this: Use a dark type, it's barely affected by ghost or dark type moves (assuming those are sableye's other three moves). Teach toxic, and a two turn move more the block advantage. Wait out the battle with this strategy until sableye faints due to poison. For those who had a problem with this or another person, I'm sorry for that happening, but again, it's hypothetical, so it may not even happen. Great answers though.
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Well, a Kangaskhan with Scrappy and a Fight move can take the Sableye in one hit (with Hammer Arm for example, with Life Orb and Atk EVs), with no waiting at all ;D
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Well, a Kangaskhan with Scrappy and a Fight move can take the Sableye in one hit (with Hammer Arm for example, with Life Orb and Atk EVs), with no waiting at all ;D
Win
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This really isn't as invincible as people think it is, is it?
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Can someone tell me how fire fang can go through wonder guard? I don't know a lot about wonder guard, and I've never battled a pokemon with it.
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Can someone tell me how fire fang can go through wonder guard? I don't know a lot about wonder guard, and I've never battled a pokemon with it.
Well it depends on the pokemon. Fire fang would work on a shedinja because hes bug and fire is good against bug. Wonder guard is an ability were the owner of it cant be hit by moves unless they are super effective. Shedinja is the only pokemon to naturally have this ability, and hes Bug/Ghost i believe. So fire fang would work on him. However if you skill swapped Wonder Guard onto a Sableye or Spiritomb it should not work.
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Can someone tell me how fire fang can go through wonder guard? I don't know a lot about wonder guard, and I've never battled a pokemon with it.
There is currently a glitch, known as the Fire Guard Glitch, where if you give Wonder Guard to a Pokemon that cannot normally have it via game altering devices, any Pokemon knowing Fire Fang can hit through the ability regardless of whether it is Super Effective or not.
I do not know the specifics, but I speculate it has to do with Shedinja being weak to Fire and a few other factors.
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Can someone tell me how fire fang can go through wonder guard? I don't know a lot about wonder guard, and I've never battled a pokemon with it.
There is currently a glitch, known as the Fire Guard Glitch, where if you give Wonder Guard to a Pokemon that cannot normally have it via game altering devices, any Pokemon knowing Fire Fang can hit through the ability regardless of whether it is Super Effective or not.
I do not know the specifics, but I speculate it has to do with Shedinja being weak to Fire and a few other factors.
Woa ive never heard of that. Very interesting...
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Well, it's good because cheats are bad ;)
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Xatu, Use Skill Swap on Sableye, Then Spam Brave Bird and Hyper Potions.
I mean, seriously, just use the skills to YOUR advantage...
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Xatu, Use Skill Swap on Sableye, Then Spam Brave Bird and Hyper Potions.
I mean, seriously, just use the skills to YOUR advantage...
To initiate trolling/griefing of the sableye, use trace
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Really, the whole topic was quite silly and anyone arguing about how to do it, etc.
Seeing as Wonder Guard cannot be skill swapped in the first place.
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Really, the whole topic was quite silly and anyone arguing about how to do it, etc.
Seeing as Wonder Guard cannot be skill swapped in the first place.
I stated that earlier somewhere, but since it said it was hypothetical, I just went with it.
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this is an extremely easy problem to solve, the solution is this...
knockout the trainer pull a net/some sort of huge machienery outta thin air snatch it and go join team rocket ... thats the easiest way to beat it....duh whats wrong with u guys
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i would never be in this situation in the first place so i care not
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OK, if there are any more arguments about this hypothetical posts like I keep noticing, I WILL LOCK IT. This is meant to work the brain, not to raise any problems. Answer the question the best you can, and leave it at that. For those that like conflict, I suggest you post somewhere else, but I won't tolerate it in my posts. For the rest, great job.
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OK, if there are any more arguments about this hypothetical posts like I keep noticing, I WILL LOCK IT. This is meant to work the brain, not to raise any problems. Answer the question the best you can, and leave it at that. For those that like conflict, I suggest you post somewhere else, but I won't tolerate it in my posts. For the rest, great job.
Though I agree with you on the useless arguments in a thread that doesnt ask for one, I know that you personally have no power to lock this thread.
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well anyway back on topic i've seen two ways to beat it are there anyother ways?
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Toxic stall it. He can't switch out, and toxic increases the damage dealt each turn by 1/16. Use a pokemon that resists it's attacks and you should kill it in 6 turns, 4 turns with sandstorm.
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well anyway back on topic i've seen two ways to beat it are there anyother ways?
Meh, none of them worked.... ::)
And still, there are so many ways to beat a Sableye with wonderguard...
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have gardevoir use skill swap then hypnosis then dream eatar then use magical leaf
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Dream eater won't work because Dark type pokemon are immune to Psychic types attack. Magical leaf, however, can work.
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have gardevoir use skill swap then hypnosis then dream eatar then use magical leaf
Thats so random, why magical leaf?
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I currently have a sableye with wonderguard that has never actually been hit in battle except by:
1. a rampardos with moldbreaker
2. for some reason a lucario hit me with focus blast
3. a umbreon with toxic
4. a mewtwo with futuresight
but in each event i won because it knows strong moves and has a high defense.
P.S. its moves are judgment, shadow force, roar of time, and spacial rend. the opponent usually attacks first because of low speed stat... :(
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Meh, cheated Sableye...
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I currently have a sableye with wonderguard that has never actually been hit in battle except by:
1. a rampardos with moldbreaker
2. for some reason a lucario hit me with focus blast
3. a umbreon with toxic
4. a mewtwo with futuresight
but in each event i won because it knows strong moves and has a high defense.
P.S. its moves are judgment, shadow force, roar of time, and spacial rend. the opponent usually attacks first because of low speed stat... :(
Your cool
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Ok, that is a hacked sableye. Any one can get a hack device and create, or use a code, that can get a pokemon with any moves or abilities. I know because i have used a few codes that got me a fire/grass bulbasaur. though thats beside the point, i stopped using hacks because it takes away the fun of actually beating a game with pure skill. and to those that say i cant lock this post, i can contact the admin and ask for them to lock it, its not that hard. whether they do it or not is the question.
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Ok, that is a hacked sableye. Any one can get a hack device and create, or use a code, that can get a pokemon with any moves or abilities. I know because i have used a few codes that got me a fire/grass bulbasaur. though thats beside the point, i stopped using hacks because it takes away the fun of actually beating a game with pure skill. and to those that say i cant lock this post, i can contact the admin and ask for them to lock it, its not that hard. whether they do it or not is the question.
Though I agree with you on the useless arguments in a thread that doesnt ask for one, I know that you personally have no power to lock this thread.
you personally
you personally
you personally
I never said you couldn't ask an admin to do it did I?
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send out magikarp. get beat turn off game, pout for a while, go train my pokemon. repeat
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send out magikarp. get beat turn off game, pout for a while, go train my pokemon. repeat
Dude... that was hilarious.
/sarcasm off
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how would i beat sableye?
Throw in Absol, make sure he's holding leftovers, use perish song first turn, then make sure he stays alive for another 3 turns. game over
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have gardevoir use skill swap then hypnosis then dream eatar then use magical leaf
Thats so random, why magical leaf?
it alway hits
Dream eater won't work because Dark type pokemon are immune to Psychic types attack. Magical leaf, however, can work.
i did not know dark types are immune to psychic attacks
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The only way to beat it is to ether take is ability of use Forsite and hit it with a fight move.
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Pokemon with wonder gaurd are stiill weak to status.
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True, Maby send out a Tyranitar, or Abomasnow to hit it with weather effects?
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Nah, Scrappy by Kangaskhan does the trick. And Kangaskhan can learn some fighting moves.
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True and on top of that it is imune to one of Sableye's types.