Pokemon Universe MMORPG
Pokémon Universe => Trainers Lounge => Topic started by: RadioactiveLemon on August 29, 2011, 09:48:03 PM
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There are tons of pokemon out there, but many are underpowed, overpowered, or just plain cheap. What in your opinion is the most cheap pokemon, that you hate to see in battle?
Mine is shedinja.
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I. HATE. POLITOED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /angry rant
Okay, now that thats done, I can explain. Politoed has changed the metagame from competative to just plain repetative. Now every other battle is against a rain team with the same battle style over and over again. Politoed has made the metagame completely centered around weather. Whats worse is that with the permanent rain that Politoed brings, a plethora of other pokemon who abuse rain follow. I like how the metagame is changing from gen 4 but I just wish that people wouldn't spam rain teams as much.
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I hate scrafty. fox uses it well though, but I still hate it.
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I don't like battling against legends. I don't care if they are considered uber or not. They just get on my nerves.
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shedinja is so easy to get around its sad.
focus sash toxic kills it every time.
or sucker punch.
or a million other things.
Other than Ubers, most pokemon have a clear and simple counter.
and even the ubders have counters, they just tend to be a little less effective because of how fat they are stat wise.
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I hate scrafty. fox uses it well though, but I still hate it.
Thank you!
Pokemon i hate? any thing that hurts my scrafty!
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I hate scrafty. fox uses it well though, but I still hate it.
Thank you!
Pokemon i hate? any thing that hurts my scrafty!
Like my dragonite.
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i hate porygon2 it wipes out my whole team
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I just thought of another pokemon I really find annoying. Volcaronna! After 1-2 quiver dances, it wipes my whole monopsychic team to shreds! Its gonna be really tough fighting it in PU since there are no stealth rocks >:(
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HERECROSS! it just sweeps my ghost team because it know night slash and i can't get any pokemon faster than rolocs...
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Oh yeah, and freaking chanseys/blisseys. They're so hard to knock out.
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i don't hate Pokemon except dragons and i hate substitute a lot
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Idk most of the legendaries are pretty cheap. I hate seeing them being used. Anyone who considers themselves good at pokemon should take a step back and evaluate their team. If you have one or more legendaries and or use Stealth Rock, You might not be so good at the pokemanz.
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Idk most of the legendaries are pretty cheap. I hate seeing them being used. Anyone who considers themselves good at pokemon should take a step back and evaluate their team. If you have one or more legendaries and or use Stealth Rock, You might not be so good at the pokemanz.
Using Stealth Rocks does not make you a bad player. Not by a long shot. It supports your team and is crucial to some offensive teams. It breaks focus sashes and sturdy which many pokemon need to KO their opponent. I kinda agree with the legendary though but at the same time I don't. In an interview of Satoshi Taijiri (the creator of pokemon), he said that he actually likes the idea of trainers using legendaries to battle. The VGCs were also littered with legendaries. While I do think most legendaries are cheap, I also think that some are very vaible for battle. This is why we have an Uber tier.
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if you don't want to battle Pokemon you don't like then don't play in that tier simple as that. All my Pokemon are UU i'm sure except 1. Also this kinda reminds me how people in cod complain, if you complain about a gun that you can use then don't complain it's your fault for putting your self at a disadvantage because you use crap guns.
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If stealth rock was like spikes and took a few turns to set up it would be fine. But to be able to launch an entry hazard that does that much damage is just way to unbalanced. I use spikes to break sashes and such.
As for tiers. I don't care about them. If you need tiers to make the battles fair obviously the game is extremely unbalanced. Legendaries in my mind speak to a persons own inability to think. I mean if we all use the same pokemon where is the fun?
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I get what you are saying and i'm not saying i'm perfect i put my self at a disadvantrage at any game i play as you can tell from my team :P because i find it fun but you can't complain because it is your decision to put your self in that position.
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I agree with Ez but its not that easy in my case. Volcaronna is gonna be in any of the tiers I battle in (Monotype, DW OU, and Wifi).
If stealth rock was like spikes and took a few turns to set up it would be fine. But to be able to launch an entry hazard that does that much damage is just way to unbalanced. I use spikes to break sashes and such.
As for tiers. I don't care about them. If you need tiers to make the battles fair obviously the game is extremely unbalanced. Legendaries in my mind speak to a persons own inability to think. I mean if we all use the same pokemon where is the fun?
Pokemon is unbalanced. Thats just the way it is. Thats the way Mr. Taijiri made it and its been working for about 16 years. Thats why we have tiers though, because thats the closest thing you're gonna have to balancing things out competatively. Not every pokemon was ment to be equal. Not every pokemon was ment to even be viable for battle. Yet people still don't use the exact same teams as everyone else because weaker pokemon are still viable in their own way.
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I agree with Ez but its not that easy in my case. Volcaronna is gonna be in any of the tiers I battle in (Monotype, DW OU, and Wifi).
If stealth rock was like spikes and took a few turns to set up it would be fine. But to be able to launch an entry hazard that does that much damage is just way to unbalanced. I use spikes to break sashes and such.
As for tiers. I don't care about them. If you need tiers to make the battles fair obviously the game is extremely unbalanced. Legendaries in my mind speak to a persons own inability to think. I mean if we all use the same pokemon where is the fun?
Pokemon is unbalanced. Thats just the way it is. Thats the way Mr. Taijiri made it and its been working for about 16 years. Thats why we have tiers though, because thats the closest thing you're gonna have to balancing things out competatively. Not every pokemon was ment to be equal. Not every pokemon was ment to even be viable for battle. Yet people still don't use the exact same teams as everyone else because weaker pokemon are still viable in their own way.
i would find it stupid to make all Pokemon were equal honestly because if you work hard to get a rare Pokemon in story mode i'm guessing you want it to be strong.
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Idk, I personally don't think legendaries should have a place in competitive battling. I mean some of the "Legendaries" that are ok for OU use have moves that no other pokemon have. I'd say that's a huge unfair advantage.
As far as the single player story, I feel that's the only acceptable place for legendaries.
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Most of the legendaries who aren't Uber aren't in that tier for a reason. Either because they aren't as broken as Kyogre and Darkrai or because they just can't keep up in this competative metagame like Celabi and Mew. Honestly I don't even think of the non-Uber legendaries as legendary anymore. I just think of them as normal pokemon.
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Entei sucks lol i would use him if he didn't look so bad ass i only use derpy pokemon :P
i think Entei is UU i think i'm not sure
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I have to agree with some of the posts on this thread. Ledgendaries ARE cheap.
If the game offers something exploitable or overpowered, that you take advantage of, it is not cheating. But it sucks when some five year old you battle in wi-fi has six acreuses, or a raquaza. It is frowend upon by the community. Anybody who uses ledgendaries in battles frequantly, is just cheap. So im hoping that Ledgendaries are not programmed into the game, or just not able to be caught.
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they won't.
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i would find it stupid to make all Pokemon were equal honestly because if you work hard to get a rare Pokemon in story mode i'm guessing you want it to be strong.
Then why are we balancing them...
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i would find it stupid to make all Pokemon were equal honestly because if you work hard to get a rare Pokemon in story mode i'm guessing you want it to be strong.
Then why are we balancing them...
i don't think you get what i'm saying and i'm not talking about PU i'm talking Pokemon in general
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Ah, ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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If im hearing right, the stats of pokemon are going to be balanced, so It will be more of a challange to level up and battle with others. But don't we some bad stats and some really good stats, so a level 50 delibird woulden't be as powerful as a level 50 tortera? If it took me two days of walking in a patch of grass to catch a skymoray, and I was automatically beat by a spinda of the same level, i would be quite mad with the game.
Just curious.
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Every pokémon will be usable, but with their own strongpoints, strategy etc. If you train your Skarmory right, you probably won't lose to a Spinda. The Delibird would actually be a great counter to Torterra, since torterra's STAB moves are ineffective or 1/4-effective, Delibird has a STAB which is 4* effective and is faster. If Torterra would survive, it would OHKO with Stone Edge of course (assuming it has Stone Edge). Since Delibird's stats will become better, It will be an effective Torterra-counter.
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Every pokémon will be usable, but with their own strongpoints, strategy etc. If you train your Skarmory right, you probably won't lose to a Spinda. The Delibird would actually be a great counter to Torterra, since torterra's STAB moves are ineffective or 1/4-effective, Delibird has a STAB which is 4* effective and is faster. If Torterra would survive, it would OHKO with Stone Edge of course (assuming it has Stone Edge). Since Delibird's stats will become better, It will be an effective Torterra-counter.
I see, so it is like you are using the "type-beats-type" stratigic system, rather than the "higher stats are better" system. Seems odd, but im sure it will work and make more sence once the game comes out.
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It isn't really like that, we're just making every pokémon viable through giving them a buff or a nerf in stats, abilities, movesets... Let's say my mono-fighting team won't be swept by a single Alakazam ;)
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I do double battles and there for absolutely hate that Amoongus thing. Its so hard to kill and it uses something that makes it so i can only attack that. Meanwhile they have a weaker Pokemon out as well with a high attack that's killing me =/
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For a cheap tactic, I see people online use a lickylicky with a focus sash and explosion. Now THAT is cheap. That and the "fear" rattata.
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aron in a sand storm...
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I do double battles and there for absolutely hate that Amoongus thing. Its so hard to kill and it uses something that makes it so i can only attack that. Meanwhile they have a weaker Pokemon out as well with a high attack that's killing me =/
Whimsicott's Taunt was my best counter against Amoonguss in doubles while my other pokemon would either attack Amoonguss's partner who is most likely trying to set up.
For a cheap tactic, I see people online use a lickylicky with a focus sash and explosion. Now THAT is cheap. That and the "fear" rattata.
Any ghost type will counter both.
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Also, if you baton passed stacked up nasty plot and some agility to Delibird onto EQ of Torterra, most Torterra if not all (balanced or not) wouldn't withstand a STAB ice beam from Delibird. :)
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Mabey I made a bad example. What I was trying to get out, was that I don't want to get a really rare and powerful pokemon in the wild, and have it get beaten by a weak pokemon of the same level. So Im just assuming that pokemon that were generally rare in the main games, will not be as tough to get. But this is way off topic now :P
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It isn't really like that, we're just making every pokémon viable through giving them a buff or a nerf in stats, abilities, movesets... Let's say my mono-fighting team won't be swept by a single Alakazam ;)
That sorta implies that we've changed type matchups or something XP Or weakened SE damage.
Basically - the balance effort means every fully evolved Pokemon will be usable in a skilled battle setting.
So, if we hold a tournament for all the best trainers, rather than only seeing the OU tier (Blissey, TTar, Scizor, Infernape) - you'll be seeing a huge mix of all Pokemon (like Braviary, Blastoise, Slowbro, and Clefable too)
We are also attempting to make every Pokemon both
- Fun to use
- Fun to fight against.
As we've covered in this topic, some Pokemon are not fun at all to fight against - Blissey for example is well known for undoing several turns of work in just 2 turns, so she got nerfed to be a little riskier.
An example of a Pokemon who wasn't fun to use was Scizor - most carried Choice Bands and sat around just Bullet Punching and U-Turning all day.
We nerfed his attack a little - making the strategy less useful, but then buffed several of his attacks.
No when he runs a Choice Band, he has more options to choose from - making him more fun to play - and in many ways, more dangerous, even with his lost Attack.
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It isn't really like that, we're just making every pokémon viable through giving them a buff or a nerf in stats, abilities, movesets... Let's say my mono-fighting team won't be swept by a single Alakazam ;)
That sorta implies that we've changed type matchups or something XP Or weakened SE damage.
Basically - the balance effort means every fully evolved Pokemon will be usable in a skilled battle setting.
So, if we hold a tournament for all the best trainers, rather than only seeing the OU tier (Blissey, TTar, Scizor, Infernape) - you'll be seeing a huge mix of all Pokemon (like Braviary, Blastoise, Slowbro, and Clefable too)
We are also attempting to make every Pokemon both
- Fun to use
- Fun to fight against.
As we've covered in this topic, some Pokemon are not fun at all to fight against - Blissey for example is well known for undoing several turns of work in just 2 turns, so she got nerfed to be a little riskier.
An example of a Pokemon who wasn't fun to use was Scizor - most carried Choice Bands and sat around just Bullet Punching and U-Turning all day.
We nerfed his attack a little - making the strategy less useful, but then buffed several of his attacks.
No when he runs a Choice Band, he has more options to choose from - making him more fun to play - and in many ways, more dangerous, even with his lost Attack.
2 random things about this statement.
1. Infernape isn't OU anymore
2. You don't see too many banded Scizors anymore because his bulkier swords dance set is much more viable in gen 5.
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2 random things about this statement.
1. Infernape isn't OU anymore
2. You don't see too many banded Scizors anymore because his bulkier swords dance set is much more viable in gen 5.
Yeah, I'm kinda still used to Gen IV. Especially when it's OU - as I left V OU pretty quick.
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I don't hate pokemon... I train a large variety and typically come prepared for the battle(assuming I know the patterns of who I'm up against). If I can't beat it... I figure out how, even if it means training a pokemon from egg to max.
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Basically - the balance effort means every fully evolved Pokemon will be usable in a skilled battle setting.
So, if we hold a tournament for all the best trainers, rather than only seeing the OU tier (Blissey, TTar, Scizor, Infernape) - you'll be seeing a huge mix of all Pokemon (like Braviary, Blastoise, Slowbro, and Clefable too)
I love you <3
Back on topic, it's not cheap but i hate to play against it: Excadrill on sandstorm.
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Basically - the balance effort means every fully evolved Pokemon will be usable in a skilled battle setting.
So, if we hold a tournament for all the best trainers, rather than only seeing the OU tier (Blissey, TTar, Scizor, Infernape) - you'll be seeing a huge mix of all Pokemon (like Braviary, Blastoise, Slowbro, and Clefable too)
I love you <3
Back on topic, it's not cheap but i hate to play against it: Excadrill on sandstorm.
Yesh
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My unholy trinity:
Herrecross,Blaziken(SB) and Scrafty
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WARNING: following post includes request pertaining to the creation of Pokemon Universe!
Here's something frustrating (sometimes, at others it's a game winner) to point out: the "super effective" mechanic, that doubles damage no matter how strong or weak a Pokemon is. This feels cheap when my Scizor receives a flare blitz from the opposing Vocarona.
While I was collecting the Pokemon cards, I noticed that the "super effective" damage modifier varied. If it was a weak Pokemon, the penalty was less than normal. Powerful Pokemon had harsher treatment to a "super effective" attack. This makes sense when you think about balance.
Imagine a Krookodile versus a Wormadam (plant cloak version). The two are obviously not a even mach in overall power, so normally the Krookodile would wipe the floor with its under powered opponent. BUT!.... if Krookodile took "super effective" hits at 2.5 times the norm, while Wormadam's "super effective" multiplier stood at 1.5, the bag worm Pokemon just might stand a chance... (or not, especially if the croc has already gone on a moxie boost spree)
What I am trying to say, is that the game could get a lot more balanced if how much damage a "super effective" hit dishes out would depend on the Pokemon receiving it. Is it too late to include something like this in Pokemon Universe?
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WARNING: following post includes request pertaining to the creation of Pokemon Universe!
Here's something frustrating (sometimes, at others it's a game winner) to point out: the "super effective" mechanic, that doubles damage no matter how strong or weak a Pokemon is. This feels cheap when my Scizor receives a flare blitz from the opposing Vocarona.
While I was collecting the Pokemon cards, I noticed that the "super effective" damage modifier varied. If it was a weak Pokemon, the penalty was less than normal. Powerful Pokemon had harsher treatment to a "super effective" attack. This makes sense when you think about balance.
Imagine a Krookodile versus a Wormadam (plant cloak version). The two are obviously not a even mach in overall power, so normally the Krookodile would wipe the floor with its under powered opponent. BUT!.... if Krookodile took "super effective" hits at 2.5 times the norm, while Wormadam's "super effective" multiplier stood at 1.5, the bag worm Pokemon just might stand a chance... (or not, especially if the croc has already gone on a moxie boost spree)
What I am trying to say, is that the game could get a lot more balanced if how much damage a "super effective" hit dishes out would depend on the Pokemon receiving it. Is it too late to include something like this in Pokemon Universe?
I believe this to be worthy of a new topic, let's not start discussing it here. So please make a new thread about it. (Don't want to start an off-topic discussion)
Hmm Cheap Pokémon... would like to say Pikachu with the "RED BUTTON" but: Ghost Pokémon.
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Cheap Pokémon..
All Leads
All Stallers
All Supporters
There you go ;D
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speed boost blaziken
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Noah, I feel that way with volcarona aswell.But with Firey Dance.
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Anything faster then my Pokemon that has spore.
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I feel the same way when someone faster then my ledian uses "throw pebble" and ledian dies before it even gets hit.
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I have a sig dedicated to my hate for Ledian. There for my point is superior.
Also, grass whistle is the same thing.
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lol
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I love how this thread was posted in august 29th, but is still holding up. It's almost Christmas for god's sake!
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A chep pokemon would be one who can't be beaten, and there is atleast one pokemon to take out every individual, so beyond that i see it as the trainers fault. No such thing as a cheap pokemon.(This is only what i think about it. no beef.)
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I'm agreeing with Reoen for the most part. There are still some pokemon that can be considered "cheap" just because they bend the system and don't make much of an effort to win a battle (Ledian circa last week).
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I'm agreeing with Reoen for the most part. There are still some pokemon that can be considered "cheap" just because they bend the system and don't make much of an effort to win a battle (Ledian circa last week).
The best part is I'm having much more luck with the banded ledian then the spore one.
I feel another nerf incoming. XD
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A chep pokemon would be one who can't be beaten, and there is atleast one pokemon to take out every individual, so beyond that i see it as the trainers fault. No such thing as a cheap pokemon.(This is only what i think about it. no beef.)
Your right in a way, but many pokemon bend the rules of what you said. Think of when you were younger and played pokemon (l don't know, maybe 6-10). You would have no way of knowing specific move combos, STABS, critical chances, etc. When you played when you were younger, all you would have known was type combos. You probably would have thought if a pokemon looked cooler than another, it was the best choice ( at least that's what I thought). For many people, they have experiences of cheap and annoying pokemon battles before they knew about the proper strategies.