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Pokémon Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: kavon800 on January 05, 2011, 11:03:45 PM
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they all evolved 3 times i really don't know who to choose
vote and think hard i want to see good results
Raiktedit: Please don't double post, there is an edit function for your posts for a reason.
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Tyranitar + QuakeEdge = Win on all counts
Oh and Raichu is only the second evolution
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Realistically, Salamence would win against all the others. Dragonite would come in second, but that is only assuming a one on one fight with both Pokemon starting fresh.
Personally, I would choose Aggron as he is one of my favorite Pokemon.
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i think salamence or dragonite would win
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Realistically, Salamence would win against all the others. Dragonite would come in second, but that is only assuming a one on one fight with both Pokemon starting fresh.
Personally, I would choose Aggron as he is one of my favorite Pokemon.
Obviously you have not battled much competitively. I have a Tyranitar on my team and i can OHKO any Dragonite or Salamence that comes out with Stone Edge.
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[...] I have a Tyranitar on my team and i can OHKO any Dragonite or Salamence that comes out with Stone Edge.
I'll take that challenge my good man. I'll use my gen5 Dragonite and I promise you - it won't be packing superpower.
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Realistically, Salamence would win against all the others. Dragonite would come in second, but that is only assuming a one on one fight with both Pokemon starting fresh.
Personally, I would choose Aggron as he is one of my favorite Pokemon.
Obviously you have not battled much competitively. I have a Tyranitar on my team and i can OHKO any Dragonite or Salamence that comes out with Stone Edge.
Oh if only you knew how wrong you are... (About Raikt, I know next to nothing about competitive battling)
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I agree on the point that a superpower can without a doubt kill tyranitar, if he can hit first, which generally wont be the case if ur battling me. Dragonites don't tend to run scarf, and if my tar is using scarf or is DDed, which I usually use one or the other, I will kill u first. And no disrespect meant to raikt
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I'll take that challenge my good man. I'll use my gen5 Dragonite and I promise you - it won't be packing superpower.
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I thought you were being sarcastic but i guess not.
If your Dragonite is indeed not running Superpower, I would genuinely like to know how you intend to beat my Tar. I havent seen a Dragonite who doesnt use Superpower so im actually interested. This isnt a challenge.
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Dragonite (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Multi-Scale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Blast
- Earthquake
- Thunder
- ExtremeSpeed
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Dragonite (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Multi-Scale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Blast
- Earthquake
- Thunder
- ExtremeSpeed
Haha well you got Focus Blast there which is basically the same thing. Interesting that you run SAtk, most dont. Hmm i honestly dont kno which would win. If i was DDed i would say a Stone Edge might do the trick, and if you went extremespeed to hit first that wouldnt kill me so i would get the attack off. Eh idk. Im running with Band for gen5 atm to test it out so i wouldnt hit first anyway.
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actually I'm planning on letting you hit me once (you move first) with Stone-edge, which will do 1x dmg to do my trait 'Multi-Scale'.
Then I'll Focus blast you and let you think you've won while I go ExtremeSpeed.
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I agree on the point that a superpower can without a doubt kill tyranitar, if he can hit first, which generally wont be the case if ur battling me. Dragonites don't tend to run scarf, and if my tar is using scarf or is DDed, which I usually use one or the other, I will kill u first. And no disrespect meant to raikt
We are assuming this is a 1vs1 battle so Ttar won't be having anytime to set up DD because of the risk of being OHKO'd by Dragonite's superpower. Dragonite's base speed is also a whopping 31 points higher than Tyranitars as well. The argument might come up that Ttar is running choice scarf but whos to say that Dragonite isn't running it either. In this case, Dragonite will win more than half of the time.
Dragonite (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Multi-Scale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Blast
- Earthquake
- Thunder
- ExtremeSpeed
This is actually the worst set possible for a Dragonite to run against Tyranitar. First off, Tyran's ability, sand stream, makes Thunder's accuracy only 50%. Because of the permanent sandstorm, all rock types, like Tyranitar, have their Sp.Def stat raised by 50%. Focus Blast would never OHKO Tyranitar because of this. Earthquake won't do much of a dent either because of the lack of Atk EVs. Tyranitar will always beat this set.
Though it seems both of you have forgotten another contestent, Salmence. Salamence outspeeds both Tyranitar and Dragonite and can OHKO them both with earthquake or outrage, respectivley. Tyranitar's chances of comming back and OHKOing Salamence with stone edge are diminished thanks to its Atk stat being cut in half due to intimadate. So Salamence would win against all of these other pokemon 80-90% of the time.
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I agree on the point that a superpower can without a doubt kill tyranitar, if he can hit first, which generally wont be the case if ur battling me. Dragonites don't tend to run scarf, and if my tar is using scarf or is DDed, which I usually use one or the other, I will kill u first. And no disrespect meant to raikt
We are assuming this is a 1vs1 battle so Ttar won't be having anytime to set up DD because of the risk of being OHKO'd by Dragonite's superpower. Dragonite's base speed is also a whopping 31 points higher than Tyranitars as well. The argument might come up that Ttar is running choice scarf but whos to say that Dragonite isn't running it either. In this case, Dragonite will win more than half of the time.
Dragonite (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Multi-Scale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Focus Blast
- Earthquake
- Thunder
- ExtremeSpeed
This is actually the worst set possible for a Dragonite to run against Tyranitar. First off, Tyran's ability, sand stream, makes Thunder's accuracy only 50%. Because of the permanent sandstorm, all rock types, like Tyranitar, have their Sp.Def stat raised by 50%. Focus Blast would never OHKO Tyranitar because of this. Earthquake won't do much of a dent either because of the lack of Atk EVs. Tyranitar will always beat this set.
Though it seems both of you have forgotten another contestent, Salmence. Salamence outspeeds both Tyranitar and Dragonite and can OHKO them both with earthquake or outrage, respectivley. Tyranitar's chances of comming back and OHKOing Salamence with stone edge are diminished thanks to its Atk stat being cut in half due to intimadate. So Salamence would win against all of these other pokemon 80-90% of the time.
I would never send a Tyranitar for a 1v1 against a Dragonite anyway. If he hasnt had time to DD i pull him out.
And ive never seen my Tar been hit by a Focus Blast before so idk if he would survive, but i do know superpower wrecks him up
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Yeah. If only Scizor was on the list. He could/would beat everyone bar Salamence :P
Even then he can still come up on top if its not a 1vs1.
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under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
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DRAGONITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
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DRAGONITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think he likes Dragonite but im not sure
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I dunno Viper, maybe Dragonite, but I'm not sure, he's not really being clear.
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Well, aggron resists the others's stabs, except for raichu, and it gets super effective head smash against salamence and dragonite, and stab iron tail against tyranitar, and for raichu, earthquake works just fine. Type-wise, aggron has the greatest advantage.
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Well, aggron resists the others's stabs, except for raichu, and it gets super effective head smash against salamence and dragonite, and stab iron tail against tyranitar, and for raichu, earthquake works just fine. Type-wise, aggron has the greatest advantage.
One earthquake from any of the other competitors and the 4x damage will make sure hes dead. And everybody else is faster than him, so no
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Viper, you know all this about battling, but you don't know Raichu is a third evolution?
Pichu - Pikachu - Raichu
hurrrrrrr derp.
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Viper, you know all this about battling, but you don't know Raichu is a third evolution?
Pichu - Pikachu - Raichu
Errr... No sir.
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Viper, you know all this about battling, but you don't know Raichu is a third evolution?
Pichu - Pikachu - Raichu
Errr... No sir.
(http://p1cture.it/images/82000299894131639906.png)
He got my back
Haha but truthfully i totally forgot about pichu
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under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
Ehh...no lol. Even at a -speed nature, Salamence outspeeds Tyranitar. As for luck, maybe but earthquake has 100% accuraccy so unless you're running a shuca berry or balloon (both rather rare on a Tyranitar), Tyranitar won't be able to run on luck.
Well, aggron resists the others's stabs, except for raichu, and it gets super effective head smash against salamence and dragonite, and stab iron tail against tyranitar, and for raichu, earthquake works just fine. Type-wise, aggron has the greatest advantage.
Head Smash won't OHKO Salamence after intimadate. Aggron is also terribly slow so Dragonite and Salamence will outpace it and OHKO with a 4x earthquake. Raichu won't be beating anyone else either. Poor thing just doesn't have the speed or offensive power to take on much in the competative scene.
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under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
my pokemon is based on versatility. i already have Earthquake, Stone edge and dragon claw. that is three phy moves. if i happened to be going against a primape, and i ran phy swpr, and it was my last pokemon, i would easily get OHKO'd by counter. as for noah...
Ehh...no lol. Even at a -speed nature, Salamence outspeeds Tyranitar. As for luck, maybe but earthquake has 100% accuraccy so unless you're running a shuca berry or balloon (both rather rare on a Tyranitar), Tyranitar won't be able to run on luck.
it still can, just not with dark pulse. Stone Edge has a high Critical Hit ratio. giive it a zoom lens, and it'll be even higher. critical hits break thruogh offensive dents and defensive buffs. so just give tyranitar Atk and Def Evs, and it should survive 1 or 2 EQs. that should be enough time to get in critical SE, which should knock it out between then... if your lucky.
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under all actuality. any of those would be able to beat each other, in my eyes.
to me it depends on EVs, items, nature, base stat, ability, moves and last but not least, luck.
luck can play a big factor if you're that kind of person who lives thru luck
Ex. Lets say mmy tyranitar is faster than a salamence in competitive battle. if you are lucky, you can keep flinching the salamence with dark pulse to the point of when the health is low enough to knock it out with dragon claw (taught) or stone edge.
But i would prefer tyranitar. it's the only pokemon with rock-dark combo, and it rapes the whole elite 4 by itself, diamond-wise
All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
my pokemon is based on versatility. i already have Earthquake, Stone edge and dragon claw. that is three phy moves. if i happened to be going against a primape, and i ran phy swpr, and it was my last pokemon, i would easily get OHKO'd by counter. as for noah...
Ehh...no lol. Even at a -speed nature, Salamence outspeeds Tyranitar. As for luck, maybe but earthquake has 100% accuraccy so unless you're running a shuca berry or balloon (both rather rare on a Tyranitar), Tyranitar won't be able to run on luck.
it still can, just not with dark pulse. Stone Edge has a high Critical Hit ratio. giive it a zoom lens, and it'll be even higher. critical hits break thruogh offensive dents and defensive buffs. so just give tyranitar Atk and Def Evs, and it should survive 1 or 2 EQs. that should be enough time to get in critical SE, which should knock it out between then... if your lucky.
See thats the thing, if Tyranitar was able to get a hit in then maybe. I've tested; A calm/bold/careful Tyranitar (max defence) with 252 DEF EVs and/or 252 HP EVs is still OHKO'd by an earthquake from an Adamant max Atk Salamence. If it were to invest that heavily in the defensive stats, it wouldn't be able to OHKO Salamence due to its not lack-luster atk which has already been cut in half: in which case Salamence would just 2HKO it. You can't expcet to "just give a pokemon Atk and Def EVs" and expect it will surive super effective hits.
Also note: Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
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I can overlook the questioning of my competitive battling experience. (Seeing as I'm going on ten years of it now, so it's not a big deal.)
All i got to say is, why in the hell would u be running dark pulse on a tyranitar?
Tyranitar's base attack = 134
base SpAtk= 95
If you have dark pulse on a tyranitar switch it to crunch.
Not to sound condescending, but I would infer that you have less competitive battling experience than me from that statement alone. From Gen III onward Tyraniboah was one of Tyranitar's most lethal movesets. (And I helped popularize it.)
It was commonly used on a team where it could take advantage of getting Tyranitar's most used counters to switch in on him, substituting on the switch, and then taking care of them using their crappy Special Defense stat. (Read: Scizor, a common switch in. He can take everything barring a SE crit, but cannot take even a single flamethrower.) Dark Pulse or Crunch were interchangeable, with the third move generally being Focus Punch to make good use of the Sub and his ability to negate Leftovers.
I would never send a Tyranitar for a 1v1 against a Dragonite anyway. If he hasnt had time to DD i pull him out.
And ive never seen my Tar been hit by a Focus Blast before so idk if he would survive, but i do know superpower wrecks him up
Then you would know that you proposed a situation that would never actually happen. You would never send in a Tyranitar against a Dragonite, and the reverse is also true.
CScarf is Tyranitar's second most common set, therefor it is usually prepared for if there is a flaw in team building that would lead to a weakness from Scarftar. If you are running Scarfed Dragonite, another equally common set, then it all comes down to whoever was out first.
In the situation the OP provided, however, there were no clear indicators to an ongoing battle, so it's assumd that both of them are out at the same time (They were your starters, which would not be a stretch as both are used as leads), in which case Dragonite would have the advantage.
[]... Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
Zoom Lens doesn't increase crit chance, it actually increases Accuracy by 20% if the user moves after the opponent. There was an error in translation and it ended up saying crit. However, testing has proven (Mine and others, if you'd care to look in to it) that it is indeed a 20% accuracy boost. The translation error was fixed in games after Diamond and Pearl.
In reference to crit boosting items, they are not banned per se. They're just generally looked down upon as they throw more luck into the game.
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[]... Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
Zoom Lens doesn't increase crit chance, it actually increases Accuracy by 20% if the user moves after the opponent. There was an error in translation and it ended up saying crit. However, testing has proven (Mine and others, if you'd care to look in to it) that it is indeed a 20% accuracy boost. The translation error was fixed in games after Diamond and Pearl.
In reference to crit boosting items, they are not banned per se. They're just generally looked down upon as they throw more luck into the game.
I read the post wrong and was thinking of scope lense. And isn't Tyranitar's most used sets its lead set followed by its bait set? The bait set is probably its best method of getting rid of Scizor and Jirachi (and other less important steel types who probably wouldn't switch into him anyway) by having the same set as the choiced variants but with a Babiri berry instead. From what I see on PO is that Tyranitar is being lessed used with choice items in turn for the standard lead set because of the booming usage of Doryuzzu.
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[]... Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
Zoom Lens doesn't increase crit chance, it actually increases Accuracy by 20% if the user moves after the opponent. There was an error in translation and it ended up saying crit. However, testing has proven (Mine and others, if you'd care to look in to it) that it is indeed a 20% accuracy boost. The translation error was fixed in games after Diamond and Pearl.
In reference to crit boosting items, they are not banned per se. They're just generally looked down upon as they throw more luck into the game.
I read the post wrong and was thinking of scope lense. And isn't Tyranitar's most used sets its lead set followed by its bait set? The bait set is probably its best method of getting rid of Scizor and Jirachi (and other less important steel types who probably wouldn't switch into him anyway) by having the same set as the choiced variants but with a Babiri berry instead. From what I see on PO is that Tyranitar is being lessed used with choice items in turn for the standard lead set because of the booming usage of Doryuzzu.
That would be a fair description of his usage statistics, though the CBand set is still finding the most usage at the moment, despite the rising popularly of Doryuzzu. (Some habits are hard to break right away, eh?)
However, that's a bit off topic.
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[]... Zoom Lense are normally banned from competative play or not looked upon lightly.
Zoom Lens doesn't increase crit chance, it actually increases Accuracy by 20% if the user moves after the opponent. There was an error in translation and it ended up saying crit. However, testing has proven (Mine and others, if you'd care to look in to it) that it is indeed a 20% accuracy boost. The translation error was fixed in games after Diamond and Pearl.
In reference to crit boosting items, they are not banned per se. They're just generally looked down upon as they throw more luck into the game.
I read the post wrong and was thinking of scope lense. And isn't Tyranitar's most used sets its lead set followed by its bait set? The bait set is probably its best method of getting rid of Scizor and Jirachi (and other less important steel types who probably wouldn't switch into him anyway) by having the same set as the choiced variants but with a Babiri berry instead. From what I see on PO is that Tyranitar is being lessed used with choice items in turn for the standard lead set because of the booming usage of Doryuzzu.
That would be a fair description of his usage statistics, though the CBand set is still finding the most usage at the moment, despite the rising popularly of Doryuzzu. (Some habits are hard to break right away, eh?)
However, that's a bit off topic.
Im using Band right now on him as a lead too and i have Dory on my team :)
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Ah Doryuzzu....*shudders*
Anyway, back on topic. So I guess since both parties of Salamence and Tyranitar have very valid arguments we're at a standstill. We need to go into more dept of the situation. What kind of battle are they having? 1vs1 or a standard 6v6 where they can freely switch out? Are we to assume that they can have any item? If so, we must assume that they both have the same item in the same battle for an unbiased answer.
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Ah Doryuzzu....*shudders*
Anyway, back on topic. So I guess since both parties of Salamence and Tyranitar have very valid arguments we're at a standstill. We need to go into more dept of the situation. What kind of battle are they having? 1vs1 or a standard 6v6 where they can freely switch out? Are we to assume that they can have any item? If so, we must assume that they both have the same item in the same battle for an unbiased answer.
Haha i really dont think its worth that much trouble considering the OP hasnt said another word since his first post