Pokemon Universe MMORPG
Pokémon Universe => Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: Roloc on September 24, 2012, 07:03:33 AM
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Evolutionary Elixir
My idea is a consumable item that changes the appearance of your pokemon permanently. This item could either be sold for a very high price in the pokemarts, won from events, rewards for quests or bought with some type of in-game point system(if there is one).
How it works:
The item gets used on a stage 3 pokemon. The stage 3 pokemon's appearance gets changed to the stage 2 pokemon of that evolutionary line. The item can be used again to change the appearance to the stage 1 evolution.
The item will only make pokemon look like other pokemon in its own evolutionary line. There will be NO Charizards looking like magikarps.
Unnamed 3rd stage pokemon will return to their 2nd stage name and unnamed 2nd stage pokemon will return to their 1st stage names when the item is used.
If you visit the Name Rater and change your pokemons name, the "( )" at the end will still appear no matter what you name it.
How to keep people from tricking others into thinking that have weak pokemon:
There is a trade off. In order to make your pokemon appear the way you want, you must deal with an extension on the name of your pokemon. such as if your pokemons name is
MightyMouse and was a Raichu, when the item is used on Raichu, its appearance becomes that of a Pikachu and it's names switches from MightyMouse to MightyMouse(Raichu).
The "( )" with the name of the actual pokemon keeps people from tricking others into thinking they have lower evolution pokemon.
Ex:
TrainerA would use the item on his Raichu named MightyMouse. MightyMouse would then change appearance to look like Pikachu and it's name would change too MightyMouse(Raichu)
The whole point of this is for people who prefer a pre evo pokemon over its fully evolved pokemon. I know that Haunter for example has lots of people who like it over Gengar.
I prefer Rhyhorn & Rhydon over Rhyperior.
EDIT:
Q&A
Q: Will the pokemon Keep it's typing of what it originally is or will it's typing change?
A: No the pokemon's type will not change. Only the appearance will change. This item is only cosmetic.
Q: Does all it change is the appearance?
A: Yes
Q: Does it interfere with the actual evolution?
A: No.
Q: Is there a way to change said Pokemon back other than using the item again?
A: There may be, there may not be. Thats up to the devs to decide.
Q: What if I don't know the typing of the pokemon in "( )" ?
A: Like in other games, I assume PU will have it to where you can hover over the pokemon and it will display the typing. This can be used to display the type on a pokemon effected by the Elixir so that it shows the type of the pokemon in "( )"
Q: If I used the elixir on my Charizard and then traded it to you, would the effect of the elixir continue or would the new owner have to purchase/receive one and then use it?
A: I would say then when the pokemon is traded, the effect would go away and the new owner would have to go and get their own elixir to use on their newly obtained pokemon.
Q: If someone used a elixir in they're charizard, would they have to use a second one to make it look like charmander, or would they're be a menu to choose what previous evo it looks like?
A: I think a pop up menu to choose which pre-evolution you want the pokemon to take the appearance of would be best.
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How would that work with type changes since there is a few pokemon whose type slightly changes in stage 3 ex...charizard is fire/flying isnt he? his preevolutions are only fire if I am not mistaken...
same with the nidoran femal and male both aquire ground on their final evo...So will they still have the same type also as their 3rd stage?
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How would that work with type changes since there is a few pokemon whose type slightly changes in stage 3 ex...charizard is fire/flying isnt he? his preevolutions are only fire if I am not mistaken...
same with the nidoran femal and male both aquire ground on their final evo...So will they still have the same type also as their 3rd stage?
As far as i understand, and i was talking about it with Roloc earlier, the only thing that changes is the appearance. Stats, types, etc. all remain the same as the third evolution, but it just looks like its pre-evolution
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Arctus is correct with his explanation of your question, nightshade06.
This is purely cosmetic. Stats/abilities/types/etc all remain unaffected.
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I like it ._. Do it ._.
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I like this idea alot. I hope they make this happen!
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This actually is a fantastic idea then...but for some might make it a bit unrealistic lol example....a caterpie using confusion....But it is pokemon and none of it is real to begin with so yea anything is possible I guess. I want a charmander that can fly O.O lol
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... *sees I'm the only one with a negative opinion* *slaps self with fish*
OK, this idea is cool and all, but it's just I don't see the point of it. The fact that it does absolutely nothing to the Pokemon, other then transforming it, is pretty pointless and confusing. I mean if it meant for an early evolution, it'd be cool and useful/overpowering, but it doesn't. And I also have a few questions of my own.
1. Does all it change is the appearance?
2. Does it interfere with the actual evolution? And if so, wouldn't that keep the Pokemon from getting any stronger? (EX: A Charmeleon turning into a fake Charizard but not being able to actually evolve afterwards.)
3. Is there a way to change said Pokemon back other than using the item again?
Normally I hate being the negative one, but I really needed to say this.
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1. Does all it change is the appearance?
2. Does it interfere with the actual evolution? And if so, wouldn't that keep the Pokemon from getting any stronger? (EX: A Charmeleon turning into a fake Charizard but not being able to actually evolve afterwards.)
3. Is there a way to change said Pokemon back other than using the item again?
Normally I hate being the negative one, but I really needed to say this.
After reading your post, it looks like you didn't read all of mine. Some of the things you asked I have already answered.
1. Yes, as I said in my first post, it is purely cosmetic.
2. No it doesn't interfere with actual evolution.
3. There could be a way to undo it. There could not be a way. Thats up to the Devs.
OK, this idea is cool and all, but it's just I don't see the point of it. The fact that it does absolutely nothing to the Pokemon, other then transforming it, is pretty pointless and confusing.
The whole point of this is for people who prefer a pre evo pokemon over its fully evolved pokemon.
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1. Does all it change is the appearance?
2. Does it interfere with the actual evolution? And if so, wouldn't that keep the Pokemon from getting any stronger? (EX: A Charmeleon turning into a fake Charizard but not being able to actually evolve afterwards.)
3. Is there a way to change said Pokemon back other than using the item again?
Normally I hate being the negative one, but I really needed to say this.
After reading your post, it looks like you didn't read all of mine. Some of the things you asked I have already answered.
1. Yes, as I said in my first post, it is purely cosmetic.
2. No it doesn't interfere with actual evolution.
3. There could be a way to undo it. There could not be a way. Thats up to the Devs.
OK, this idea is cool and all, but it's just I don't see the point of it. The fact that it does absolutely nothing to the Pokemon, other then transforming it, is pretty pointless and confusing.
The whole point of this is for people who prefer a pre evo pokemon over its fully evolved pokemon.
ohmygodagiantrock!
Yeah, my bad, Sometimes I miss a few details on threads like this. And now that I have, this idea seems alot cooler to me, can't wait to see what happens with this idea! :D
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I welcome all the questions cause it lets me cover some things I may have missed in the first post.
I updated the first post with a Q&A to help with this. I will add more as I get more questions.
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Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
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Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
* relieved sigh* Thought I was alone for a minute there...
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Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
The idea is for people to be able to use their favorite pokemon without being hindered greatly for it. Since the balance team is only going to balance fully evolved pokemon this adds even more leniency to people being able to use their favorites.
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Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
Unfair? To who might I ask? Why should someone have to choose between having a powerful pokemon ,or being useless but "cute". If someone wants to use butterfree dressed up as caterpie then why not? Oh yes the caterpie might consider it unfair we don't want that :'(
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Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
The idea is for people to be able to use their favorite pokemon without being hindered greatly for it. Since the balance team is only going to balance fully evolved pokemon this adds even more leniency to people being able to use their favorites.
Alright, now I'M the only one with a negative outlook on this...
I still think the idea is somewhat unfair. The whole idea of evolution is that you can either evolve and become more powerful, or not evolve and stay 'cute', and you have to choose between the two. It doesn't seem fair to have the ability to have both.
Unfair? To who might I ask? Why should someone have to choose between having a powerful pokemon ,or being useless but "cute". If someone wants to use butterfree dressed up as caterpie then why not? Oh yes the caterpie might consider it unfair we don't want that :'(
I understand your point, but evolution is a choice of power or looks. When your pokemon evolves, your tradeoff is it's current look for a new look and higher stats. Here's an example. Let's say I have a Lillipup that's about to evolve. I don't really like how Herdier looks, but it has higher stats which will make my adventure easier. So I have to choose, do I keep Lillipup looking adorable, or do I suck it up and let him evolve? If I have this item, it lets me do both, but that eliminates the choice that goes along with evolution. If I can just make it cute again, why even bother not letting it evolve? If you're allowed to keep your pokemon looking like your favorite forever while still getting stat boosts, then what's the tradeoff?
Another point to bring up is, how does this account for pokemon who change their looks mid-battle? Two examples being Darmanitan and Cherrim. Darmanitan (or at least, a certain kind) changes into Zen mode when it's HP gets below 50%. But if it looks like a Darumakka, then how does it's appearance change? Does it still look like Darumakka or does it change to Darmanitan's Zen mode? And in the case of Cherrim, if it looks like a Cherubi, and it (or another pokemon) uses Sunny Day, does it still look like Cherubi or does it change to Cherrim's Sunshine form?
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Why must it be a trade-off at all? Evolution isen't really a choice if your gonna be doing any serous battling ,so if anything is unfair its the guy who loves caterpie. Why can't he use caterpie? Also this is a game trade-offs are not needed.
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I understand your point, but evolution is a choice of power or looks. When your pokemon evolves, your tradeoff is it's current look for a new look and higher stats. Here's an example. Let's say I have a Lillipup that's about to evolve. I don't really like how Herdier looks, but it has higher stats which will make my adventure easier. So I have to choose, do I keep Lillipup looking adorable, or do I suck it up and let him evolve? If I have this item, it lets me do both, but that eliminates the choice that goes along with evolution. If I can just make it cute again, why even bother not letting it evolve? If you're allowed to keep your pokemon looking like your favorite forever while still getting stat boosts, then what's the tradeoff?
This seems more like an opinion that you give up cuteness for power.
This was already explained in my last post:
There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
Another point to bring up is, how does this account for pokemon who change their looks mid-battle? Two examples being Darmanitan and Cherrim. Darmanitan (or at least, a certain kind) changes into Zen mode when it's HP gets below 50%. But if it looks like a Darumakka, then how does it's appearance change? Does it still look like Darumakka or does it change to Darmanitan's Zen mode? And in the case of Cherrim, if it looks like a Cherubi, and it (or another pokemon) uses Sunny Day, does it still look like Cherubi or does it change to Cherrim's Sunshine form?
It's simple. Darmanitan under the effects of the Elixir would still turn into it's Zen Mode form because this is relative to how Darmanitan is used in battle. Cherrim on the other hand would not change as it doesn't do anything. So if someone would want to the see the alternate form of Cherrim then they wouldn't use the Elixer on it.
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I understand your point, but evolution is a choice of power or looks. When your pokemon evolves, your tradeoff is it's current look for a new look and higher stats. Here's an example. Let's say I have a Lillipup that's about to evolve. I don't really like how Herdier looks, but it has higher stats which will make my adventure easier. So I have to choose, do I keep Lillipup looking adorable, or do I suck it up and let him evolve? If I have this item, it lets me do both, but that eliminates the choice that goes along with evolution. If I can just make it cute again, why even bother not letting it evolve? If you're allowed to keep your pokemon looking like your favorite forever while still getting stat boosts, then what's the tradeoff?
This seems more like an opinion that you give up cuteness for power.
This was already explained in my last post:
There are plenty of pokemon that are still cute when fully evolved so I don't see where you have to choose power over cuteness. Gardevoir and Milotic just to name two right off the top of my head.
Sure, there are some of pokemon that evolve and don't turn out 'ugly' or 'not as cute'. But that doesn't apply to all pokemon, and those pokemon are what I'm talking about. If there's a pokemon you really like, but you don't like how it's evolution looks, then your decision is whether or not you want to keep your favorite pokemon, or have it evolve so it has better stats. Again, your tradeoff in evolution is it's current look and current stats for a different look and higher stats. Whether or not you like its new look is part of dictating whether or not you want it to evolve. I guess a good expression to use is 'You can't have your cake and eat it too'.
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Well seeing as there are plenty of other pokemon that don't give up cuteness for power, it seems kinda lame the the others do.
But this is all opinion stuff. I'd rather get feedback on important things like:
Ways this might break game play
How it could be miss used against other players
How it could be abused in PvP combat
Thanks.
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I guess a good expression to use is 'You can't have your cake and eat it too'.
You can if you ration it so that you only eat half of it, so you still have your cake, and eat it.
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Well seeing as there are plenty of other pokemon that don't give up cuteness for power, it seems kinda lame the the others do.
But this is all opinion stuff. I'd rather get feedback on important things like:
Ways this might break game play
How it could be miss used against other players
How it could be abused in PvP combat
Thanks.
Well your pokemons true species is being shown in () ,so it should not be exploitible right?
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Yea as long as it has the ( ) showing its true form I don't see the problem in it...Or how it could be used to fool people in pvp and such since it will have that warning the other player that it isn't what it seems...
And I don't see how it would really break the game I don't think...Not very smart on coding and such but if it is just the appearance it should be just like a character in an MMO changing clothes or something..To where it still the same person just different outfit...That is the way I am seeing it.
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Yea as long as it has the ( ) showing its true form I don't see the problem in it...Or how it could be used to fool people in pvp and such since it will have that warning the other player that it isn't what it seems...
And I don't see how it would really break the game I don't think...Not very smart on coding and such but if it is just the appearance it should be just like a character in an MMO changing clothes or something..To where it still the same person just different outfit...That is the way I am seeing it.
Agreed. I don't see where it would break it either but thats why I want to hear feed back from lots of people. Someone else may see something I didn't. :)
And yeah, lots of games offer the ability to wear gear/clothes/armor and then have some sort of system that will let you change what your gear looks like in case you don't like the way your gear looks.
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There is just that in Guild wars 2 they are called transmodification stones I think is the name of them lols Something like that...But it allows the user to change the armor they are currently wearing to something of another look of the same type of armor hence....Cloth armor- cloth armor.. So you can have the look you want :)
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Aw yeah! This way I can have an Azurill without having stat problems! :3
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Some of us were talking on the balance server about how one would obtain the Evolutionary Elixir. We came up with a couple of ideas.
A decently long quest to help a certain NPC and at the end of this quest your reward is that you can now buy the Elixir from said NPC for the right price.
The other
A daily quest that can be repeated everyday and the reward is 1 Elixir each day.
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I would prefer the first one, with a re-performance or revisit of the NPC at a lower frequency (once a week?).
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I would prefer the first one, with a re-performance or revisit of the NPC at a lower frequency (once a week?).
I would agree with this. As much as I would like to be able to use the elixir would you really want it to be that easy to obtain? To me it would seem like it would be less 'valuable' if it was easily attainable. It would be cool to see an amazingly strong 'Charmander', but it would lose its lustre if it was that easy. This is just my opinion of course.
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I would prefer the first one, with a re-performance or revisit of the NPC at a lower frequency (once a week?).
I would agree with this. As much as I would like to be able to use the elixir would you really want it to be that easy to obtain? To me it would seem like it would be less 'valuable' if it was easily attainable. It would be cool to see an amazingly strong 'Charmander', but it would lose its lustre if it was that easy. This is just my opinion of course.
I agree, I would like for it to be a weekly quest, but also, the elixir wouldn't be cheap.
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Excellent. Would make it seem like it would be more worth it. Also, I'v read the posts and haven't found this question but I apologise if someone has already answered this but what would happen if I used the elixir on my Charizard and then traded it to you? Would the effect of the elixir continue or would the new owner have to purchase/receive one and then use it?
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Thats a good question and it hasn't been asked yet.
Hmm, I would say then when the pokemon is traded, the effect would go away and the new owner would have to go and get their own elixir to use on their newly obtained pokemon.
Thanks for the great question. :)
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I have a question, and I can't ask it on PO becuase, well I'm not on.
If someone used a elixir in they're charizard, would they have to use a second one to make it look like charmander, or would they're be a menu to choose what previous evo it looks like?
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Another good question. I think a pop up menu to choose which one you want the pokemon to take the appearance of would be best.
Updated the first post with both of the new questions.