Pokemon Universe MMORPG
Pokémon Universe => Ideas & Suggestions => Topic started by: Gold on September 07, 2010, 03:24:16 AM
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I was thinking about a new way to implement the elemental punches into the game. Personally I think that any pokemon with arms and hands should be allowed to learn the elemental punches. But what I am thinking is instead of just learning them naturally or from move tutors they could be learned through the stones. Fire stone would teach fire punch, thunder stone - thunder punch, water stone for ice punch. What do you guys think about that idea.
Maybe have special teachers, bring specific stone to teacher and he then teaches the pokemon the way of that specific punch.
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Not a bad idea. Just specifics might have to be implemented so that you can't just spam the stones for attacks that would unbalance it. Though it would add at least a little morte strategy to your parties. It would be entertaining to have a poliwrath that knows fire and sucker punch to take out the grass, ice and psychic types that oppose it
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FALCON PAWNCH!!!
Thats a problem...
How about the same thing as Gold said, just they cant use punches of opposing types.
Water can't learn - Fire
Fire can't learn - Ice
Etc....In other words, Types must make sense
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Yeah that would make sense. The pokemon that is on fire can't freeze someone.
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Alot Of water Types actually can use Electric attacks, as to why I left it out.
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Not a bad idea. Maybe just specify which Pokémon can learn each move. Not just:
"Tentacruel used Fire-Punch!"
You'd need to work out which Pokémon can learn each of the moves.
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Not a bad idea. Maybe just specify which Pokémon can learn each move. Not just:
"Tentacruel used Fire-Punch!"
You'd need to work out which Pokémon can learn each of the moves.
Personally I think that any pokemon with arms and hands should be allowed to learn the elemental punches.
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Technically... Tentecruel doesn't have arms or hands... he as tentacles.
I'm jus' sayin'...
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Nice idea.
I do think that the "opposing types" should be taken a step further though...
Why should someone be able to use opposing elemental punches? (ie, being able to use Fire and Ice in the same battle) Even a true fighting pokemon?
Wouldn't you have an issue trying to freeze something after you just hit something else with a fire punch?
I mean... My ice cream scoop doesn't even get really cold after heating it with scalding water and then scooping 3 scoops of my super awesome Strawberry Ice cream!
And that's a pretty far cry from Fire and Ice...
-Pubbs
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Technically... Tentecruel doesn't have arms or hands... he as tentacles.
I'm jus' sayin'...
No duh he doesn't have arms or hands. It is quite obvious he has tentacles, therefore not fitting into the aforementioned requirement stating that a pokemon must have arms and hands so he wouldn't be aloud to learn the move. I really don't understand what you are finding so difficult about this.
I'm jus' sayin'...
Nice idea.
I do think that the "opposing types" should be taken a step further though...
Why should someone be able to use opposing elemental punches? (ie, being able to use Fire and Ice in the same battle) Even a true fighting pokemon?
Wouldn't you have an issue trying to freeze something after you just hit something else with a fire punch?
I mean... My ice cream scoop doesn't even get really cold after heating it with scalding water and then scooping 3 scoops of my super awesome Strawberry Ice cream!
And that's a pretty far cry from Fire and Ice...
-Pubbs
Your point is somewhat valid but consider this, if I attacked something with a flamethrower and then doused it in liquid nitrogen. It will still freeze.
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You're mean.
I'm jus' sayin'.
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I like his style. :)
But please, continue.
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You're mean.
I'm jus' sayin'.
Use proper English and think logically and I am actually a very pleasant person.
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Thinking logically is not my expertise.
I'm just saying.
Note: I'm sure you're a very nice and pleasant person... I just don't like being wrong... which is all the time.
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Pokemon are typically given moves only when they need them, for a variety of reasons.
For example, Flareon would likely be given Flare Blitz or some other Fire Physical move as it has amazing attack, but the only Stab it can make use of is Fire Fang.
An added move that has occurred in our balance changes has been Blastoise's Reflect - which we believe greatly adds to his versatility as both a supporting pokemon, and, a Physical Tank
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Use proper English and think logically and I am actually a very pleasant person.
I actually find this statement to be EXTREMETLY prick-ish.
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Gold, you have a point, but it's not necessarily pertinet to this subject. We're talking about natural forces; Not technology...
Liquid Nitrogen is a far cry from an Icy Wind. As such, a Flamethrower is vastly different than a simple flame ember. This carries on to a Fire Punch or an Icy Punch.
But that's not really the point. The power of the Element comes from within the Pokemon, not from without.
While it -is- possible to freeze something that has just been set on fire, and the other way around. It still isn't all that logical, or reasonable, to think that a pokemon, can jump from one extreme to the extreme opposite... You'd think that they couldn't flip between said extremes without at least a decent time to concentrate, recover and then act.
I'm not trying to argue for argument's sake... I just think that it would make more sense to have to choose which way you'd go with your Fighting Pokemon... To specialize in Fire punches, and thus deal more damage with them and not be able to use Icy Punch... Or the other way around.
It would also add more variety to the game, and more strategy... Sure, in the cartridge games you can decide which moves to keep... But you should also be able to choose which way to specialize your Fighter to work with the above idea... Or that should already be decided when you catch them.... They could have an... Affinity for either Fire... Thunder... Ice... Etc.
I'm not too worried either way... I'm not a big fan of Fighter Pokemon personally... I just figured I'd offer my Two Cents' worth. (Or Pence if you prefer.) Perhaps if nothing else I can spark an idea that works for the PU team even if it's something to counter my idea.
-Pubbs
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Okay, back on topic guys.
In answer to your question / idea, as far as I can see it will not be implemented as it is up to the balancing team to deal with movesets.
And you can all see what Level5Pidgey's remarks were.
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I would say no because the stones are for evolving certain pokemons the elemental punches are learn through out TM's and some natural and besides Flareon with Fire Punch? Volteon with Thunder Punch? you did say when you use the stone they will learn the move... its not possible and some players like me will like to keep the Moves, natural abilities normal =\
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Volteon with Thunder Punch?
Your lack of Poké-knowledge made me laugh.
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Also, Could You add Special Versions Of the Elemental Punches? Alakazam really suffered from the Physical/Special Split. You could have an Ice ray Move, a fire ray move, and a thunder ray move as Special counterparts.
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Flareon with Fire Punch? Volteon with Thunder Punch? you did say when you use the stone they will learn the move... its not possible and some players like me will like to keep the Moves, natural abilities normal =\
For starters its Jolteon not Volteon but that is probablly a simple typo. But if you read the the first post. And apparently no one does...
POKEMON WITH ARMS AND HANDS ONLY!
I am getting tired of repeating myself. Just like tentacruel wouldn't learn ice punch because he has TENTACLES. The Eeveelutions wouldn't learn punches, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE HANDS! Seriously almost all humans have hands or at least know what hands look like I shouldn't have to explain this so many times.
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POKEMON WITH ARMS AND HANDS ONLY!
I am getting tired of repeating myself.
Now you know how we feel....
Just like tentacruel wouldn't learn ice punch because he has TENTACLES. The Eeveelutions wouldn't learn punches, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE HANDS! Seriously almost all humans have hands or at least know what hands look like I shouldn't have to explain this so many times.
Maybe we do have to explain this to people....Shall I help you out a little?
Click here, if you don't know what these things are. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD82_xb5PDM)
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Topic can pretty much be closed because I explained why not, right? :S
I shall repeat:
Pokemon are typically given moves only when they need them, for a variety of reasons.
For example, Flareon would likely be given Flare Blitz or some other Fire Physical move as it has amazing attack, but the only Stab it can make use of is Fire Fang.
An added move that has occurred in our balance changes has been Blastoise's Reflect - which we believe greatly adds to his versatility as both a supporting pokemon, and, a Physical Tank
So basically, if a Pokemon needs/would become more versatile with an elemental punch and it'd still be balanced - sure, we might give it an elemental punch.
If the move would be useless, unnecessary, overpowered, or another move could be given to better help the Pokemon, then no, it won't get an elemental punch.
We're doing everything on a Pokemon by Pokemon basis.
So this idea isn't useful to us I'm sorry. :<
If you recall all that stuff you did for Corsola, we're doing that stuff times about 5 for every single Pokemon. I didn't give you that exercise to see how fast you could type, I gave it to you because that's how we actually carry out the balancing in the back room. ^_^
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Also, Could You add Special Versions Of the Elemental Punches? Alakazam really suffered from the Physical/Special Split. You could have an Ice ray Move, a fire ray move, and a thunder ray move as Special counterparts.
Take a look at Alakazams stats, you'll notice he has more Sp Atk/Sp Def than Atk and Def thats because the Sp Atk is to increase Dark,Ghost, Psychic moves they donnot depend on Attak (exept Shadow Ball) Sp Def is to protect the pokemon from does attacks (exept shadow ball) and Alakazam has low defence, if you want to raise an Alakazam's defence you can train him by giving him 2 irons per level and only train him with Onix, geodude , nosepass, lairon, any pokemons that gives Def EV's , try it out and u'll notice your alakazam geting +4/+5 Def points
You should take note that physical psychic, ghost and dark moves exist. Here are a few quite useful physical: Shadow Punch, Shadow Claw, Shadow Force, Zen Headbutt, Psycho Cut, Crunch, Faint Attack, Sucker Punch, Night Slash.
Shadow Ball is on the other hand a special move.
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Warning sent to DEXWIN for triple posting.
Please modify posts in the future.